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Hi the list,

I am a new subscriber to this list and this is my very first post.

I have been trying to find documentation on ipvsman. The only link I can 
find is: http://wiki.inqbus.de/twiki/bin/view/Ipvsman/Dokumentation.

That link does not work.  Can you please let me know where I can find 
some documentation for it?

In particular, how can I define direct route services in service.cfg?  
No matter what I do, the service I put to this file is interpreted as NAT.

Also, what is topology.cfg for?

Thank you very much for your help.

John

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On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, John Du wrote:

> I have been trying to find documentation on ipvsman. The only link I can
> find is: http://wiki.inqbus.de/twiki/bin/view/Ipvsman/Dokumentation.
>
> That link does not work.  Can you please let me know where I can find
> some documentation for it?
>

Volker has not posted to this list in quite a while. I'd say 
from the dates in sourceforge that the project is inactive

Joe

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Joseph Mack NA3T wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, John Du wrote:
>
>   
>> I have been trying to find documentation on ipvsman. The only link I can
>> find is: http://wiki.inqbus.de/twiki/bin/view/Ipvsman/Dokumentation.
>>
>> That link does not work.  Can you please let me know where I can find
>> some documentation for it?
>>
>>     
>
> Volker has not posted to this list in quite a while. I'd say 
> from the dates in sourceforge that the project is inactive
>
> Joe
>
>   
Thank you for the reply.  ipvsadm works well in setting up LVS but it 
does not seem to monitor the health of the real servers to adjust the 
LVS table. That was why I wanted to use ipvsman.  I want a simple tool 
that monitors the real servers and revises the LVS table so traffic will 
not routed to dead servers.  Any recommendations?

Thank you again for help.

John
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On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, John Du wrote:

> I want a simple tool that monitors the real servers and 
> revises the LVS table so traffic will not routed to dead 
> servers.  Any recommendations?

there's no simple tool. keepalived, and ldirectord are the 
two that are being maintained

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Joseph Mack NA3T wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, John Du wrote:
>
>   
>> I want a simple tool that monitors the real servers and 
>> revises the LVS table so traffic will not routed to dead 
>> servers.  Any recommendations?
>>     
>
> there's no simple tool. keepalived, and ldirectord are the 
> two that are being maintained
>
> Joe
>
>   
OK. I'll try keepalived.  I have not found an RPM for RHEL5.  A source 
RPM I found does not build on RHEL5.  I can build the source 
distribution from the keepalived site but I prefer an RPM.

Thank you for the info.

John
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On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 13:59 -0800, John Du wrote:
> OK. I'll try keepalived.

Do
Not
Use
1.1.16

Alexandre rather rushed the release, and it is significantly broken. If
you want to use keepalived, please use 1.1.15 instead.

For the first time in a very long time [1] I would suggest using
Heartbeat+Ldirectord, for the simple reason that they're very likely
included as part of your distribution. If they're not, you can grab them
from CentOS instead.

Graeme

[1] Sorry, Alexandre :(


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You might want to look into the LVS kernel settings. 
Especially nodest_conn and expire_quiescent_template

There seems to be something in Documentation/networking/ipvs-sysctl.txt in
the linux kernel tree.


Regards,

Kit

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Joseph Mack NA3T wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, John Du wrote:
>
>   
>> I want a simple tool that monitors the real servers and revises the 
>> LVS table so traffic will not routed to dead servers.  Any 
>> recommendations?
>>     
>
> there's no simple tool. keepalived, and ldirectord are the two that 
> are being maintained
>
> Joe
>
>   
OK. I'll try keepalived.  I have not found an RPM for RHEL5.  A source RPM I
found does not build on RHEL5.  I can build the source distribution from the
keepalived site but I prefer an RPM.

Thank you for the info.

John
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Hi

Stjohnson wrote:
> So it's looking like I'm not going to be able to do this LVS. I'm
> investigating other solutions actually just to cover all my bases. There has
> to be a system that does this w/o special modifications.

Is there a particular reason why periodic updates would not work?

Pseudocode:

VIP=1.2.3.4
DOMAIN=realservers.domain.com
while true; do
	sleep 10
	clear_ipvsadm $VIP
	for ip in $(dig +short $DOMAIN); do
		add_realserver $ip
	done
done

Is it a special modification? It may be better to dynamically update the
 VIP instead of a flush though.

Siim


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List -

Can someone tell me if the sorry server for a given cluster becomes active
when all of the  real servers in the cluster hit their uthreshold?  Is the
same true for lthreshold?  Also, when running multiple clusters on the same
LB is there any way to give one clusters=B9 traffic priority over the rest?

Thanks -

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Hi,

We are currently running=A0dedicated LVS-NAT (with the exception of iptable=
s):
=A0Intel Xeon 3060 @ 2.4GHz (2 cores)
=A02G RAM
=A02 Gb/s NIC (one external, one internal)
=A0LVS-NAT
=A0Linux 2.6.18 kernel

It appears we are running out of CPU (usage reached 160, with 40 idle, 2 co=
res) when we reach:
=A0~10K CPS
=A0~100K InPPS
=A0~120K OutPPS
=A0~1 million+ active and number of objects in the ip_vs_conn entry in /pro=
c/slabinfo

We are considering upgrading the setup to the following:
=A02 x Intel Xeon 5430 (2 CPUs, 4 cores each)
=A08G RAM
=A08 Gb/s NIC (4x1Gb in bonding for external, 4x1Gb in bonding for internal)
=A0LVS-NAT
=A0Linux 2.6.18 (possible newer if it offers performance increase)

The question is how well can the LVS=A0code take advantages of the multiple=
 CPU. There are=A0some conflicting answers to this question on the FAQ and =
mailing list (in gernal, it helps with the system as a whole). In our actua=
l usage=A0experience, it appears SMP helps, since it did reach 160 CPU usag=
e. However, I do not know if this is real or just an illusion. I do not kno=
w if LVS is actually doing real work that caused the usage to be above 100 =
or is it because of SMP that causing locks that resulted that. Also, in our=
 limited testing of the new setup, we find the SMP helps because with 8 NIC=
s, just to process the interrupts can overwhelm a single CPU (core).

Can anyone share their knowledge or experience for the following:
=A01. Can LVS increase linearly in capacity when we go from the setup we cu=
rrently have (2 cores with 2 NICs) to what we are considering (8 cores, wit=
h 8 NICs)
=A02. Has anyone else used similiar setup that can share their experience? =
There was a posting to the mailing list in Dec. 2007 that indicated the per=
formance limit is ~450K (don't know if it's the sum of InPPS and OutPPS)=A0=
pps. There was no conclusive answer as to this was the limit of LVS or not
=A03. Has anyone have a setup that can process 1+ million pps (LVS-NAT) on =
a single LVS machine (we already use multipel LVS with keepalived in a live=
-live configuration)?

Thanks


      =


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Certain NICs handle more of the IP processing themselves, but require kernel
support for this.
(I've seen NICs that will handle most of iSCSI themselves)
I suggest loking up the Linux Kernel or Networking mailing lists.

I don't know if the system balances IRQ handling over multiple cores.
If so, upgrading to quadcore should linearly scale your performance.


Regards,

Kit =


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From: "New User" <jfjm2002@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 12:45am
To: lvs-users@linuxvirtualserver.org
Subject: [lvs-users] LVS performance on SMP

Can anyone share their knowledge or experience for the following:
=A01. Can LVS increase linearly in capacity when we go from the setup we
currently have (2 cores with 2 NICs) to what we are considering (8 cores,
with 8 NICs)
=A02. Has anyone else used similiar setup that can share their experience?
There was a posting to the mailing list in Dec. 2007 that indicated the
performance limit is ~450K (don't know if it's the sum of InPPS and
OutPPS)=A0pps. There was no conclusive answer as to this was the limit of L=
VS
or not
=A03. Has anyone have a setup that can process 1+ million pps (LVS-NAT) on a
single LVS machine (we already use multipel LVS with keepalived in a
live-live configuration)?

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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I'd be willing to bet that your problem lies in "soft IRQ %"... basically,
you're CPU is getting eaten up by NIC interrupts moreso than anything
LVS/iptables related. =


I've yet to find a good solution to this; if there is one I'm very keen to
hear it.


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On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:59 +0100, Kit Gerrits wrote:
> I don't know if the system balances IRQ handling over multiple cores.
> If so, upgrading to quadcore should linearly scale your performance.

http://www.cs.uwaterloo.ca/~brecht/servers/apic/SMP-affinity.txt

Although slightly dated now, the basics in there still apply. You can
make a given interrupt (or device driving interrupts) have an affinity
with a single processor core.

Generally speaking, interrupts are shared more or less equally across
all cores so more cores should scale performance well; however in some
circumstances it can be beneficial to assign a given interrupt driver to
a specific core so you then know where the load on that core is coming
from.

I should point out that the OP stated a "usage" (which I assume to mean
% CPU utilisation) of 160 - that's a good thing. There's no point having
a totally idle CPU!

When utilisation hit 160%, what was the 1/5/15 minute load average?

Graeme


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On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 09:54 -0700, Pinche Rodriguez wrote:
> Can someone tell me if the sorry server for a given cluster becomes active
> when all of the  real servers in the cluster hit their uthreshold?  Is the
> same true for lthreshold?

Short answer: no.
Long answer: it depends on how you're managing thresholds, and how
you're managing your LVS. Which piece of software are you using (ipvsadm
doesn't count, it's a passive "set and forget" tool).

> Also, when running multiple clusters on the same LB is there any way to g=
ive
> one clusters=B9 traffic priority over the rest?

I'm not sure I understand that question.

Graeme


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Let me rephrase my first question below. What I would like to know is how w=
ell can LVS code scale with multiple CPU. I do not know that balancing out =
IRQ with the NIC works pretty well with Linux 2.6.18 kernel. Certain Broadc=
om NICs seem to have problem with MSI turned on, but Intel NICs works fine.=
 So, *assume* the kernel can linearly scale up with SMP with NICs' interrup=
ts, can the LVS code do the same?

Jason, handling of NIC interrupts does balance over multiple CPU when you e=
ither manually set the SMP affinity or use irqbalance.

Graeme, it's a good thing the CPU is being used, but I expect our traffic t=
o increase dramatically, so there is not much room left for growth. That's =
why we are considering something much "beefier" to handle the load. The loa=
d (1/5/15)=A0average on the machine is almost nothing when CPU usage is at =
160%. It is mostly taken up by Soft IRQ.


=A0
----- Original Message ----
From: New User <jfjm2002@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 1:45:12 PM
Subject: LVS performance on SMP

Hi,

We are currently running=A0dedicated LVS-NAT (with the exception of iptable=
s):
=A0Intel Xeon 3060 @ 2.4GHz (2 cores)
=A02G RAM
=A02 Gb/s NIC (one external, one internal)
=A0LVS-NAT
=A0Linux 2.6.18 kernel

It appears we are running out of CPU (usage reached 160, with 40 idle, 2 co=
res) when we reach:
=A0~10K CPS
=A0~100K InPPS
=A0~120K OutPPS
=A0~1 million+ active and number of objects in the ip_vs_conn entry in /pro=
c/slabinfo

We are considering upgrading the setup to the following:
=A02 x Intel Xeon 5430 (2 CPUs, 4 cores each)
=A08G RAM
=A08 Gb/s NIC (4x1Gb in bonding for external, 4x1Gb in bonding for internal)
=A0LVS-NAT
=A0Linux 2.6.18 (possible newer if it offers performance increase)

The question is how well can the LVS=A0code take advantages of the multiple=
 CPU. There are=A0some conflicting answers to this question on the FAQ and =
mailing list (in gernal, it helps with the system as a whole). In our actua=
l usage=A0experience, it appears SMP helps, since it did reach 160 CPU usag=
e. However, I do not know if this is real or just an illusion. I do not kno=
w if LVS is actually doing real work that caused the usage to be above 100 =
or is it because of SMP that causing locks that resulted that. Also, in our=
 limited testing of the new setup, we find the SMP helps because with 8 NIC=
s, just to process the interrupts can overwhelm a single CPU (core).

Can anyone share their knowledge or experience for the following:
=A01. Can LVS increase linearly in capacity when we go from the setup we cu=
rrently have (2 cores with 2 NICs) to what we are considering (8 cores, wit=
h 8 NICs)
=A02. Has anyone else used similiar setup that can share their experience? =
There was a posting to the mailing list in Dec. 2007 that indicated the per=
formance limit is ~450K (don't know if it's the sum of InPPS and OutPPS)=A0=
pps. There was no conclusive answer as to this was the limit of LVS or not
=A03. Has anyone have a setup that can process 1+ million pps (LVS-NAT) on =
a single LVS machine (we already use multipel LVS with keepalived in a live=
-live configuration)?

Thanks


      =


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On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 02:17 -0800, New User wrote:
> Let me rephrase my first question below. What I would like to know is how well can LVS code scale with multiple CPU. I do not know that balancing out IRQ with the NIC works pretty well with Linux 2.6.18 kernel. Certain Broadcom NICs seem to have problem with MSI turned on, but Intel NICs works fine. So, *assume* the kernel can linearly scale up with SMP with NICs' interrupts, can the LVS code do the same?

As it's a part of the kernel, the answer is "yes".

However the more stuff you ask the kernel to do (ie. the less simple the
packet path is through the stack), the lower the throughput will be.

It this was a simple router you'll get throughput A pps.
Adding LVS on top reduces A depending, again, on complexity -
persistence maps, timeouts, the number of realservers.
Adding (for example) netfilter/iptables rules reduces A further, and we
all know that adding in conntrack features or modules will reduce it
even further.

One of the problems Linux has in general is that no two systems are
alike, so benchmarking things is almost impossible in reality.

I'd be very interested to see if you make your interfaces have affinity
with a single CPU core whether your usage drops, because once they're
locked they're avoiding softirq...

Graeme


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Your CPU usage seems very high for this traffic. Quite possibly due to  
different configuration you may be running.

It will be interesting to see if you haven't dropped incoming traffic  
at this level of PPS. Please let us know if that is the case.

We run 2 NICs in bonding mode (Active/Passive) for both incoming and  
outgoing traffic.

Our CPU level are very low ~5% (all of it is system) at 174K in and  
174K out PPS. We run ldirector & heartbeat in DR mode. Hardware is  
comparable to yours. We had an issue of machine dropping packets when  
we were using boradcom nics. We replaced them by intel cards and  
adjusted ring parameters using ethtool.

We do not do iptables on the system and that could be the one eating  
up CPU, you may want to take a look at these parameters. Does kern.log  
says kernel table full at such level of traffic ?


# Adjust iptables related timeout to reduce number of connection in  
kernel tables
net.ipv4.netfilter.ip_conntrack_tcp_timeout_time_wait=10
net.ipv4.netfilter.ip_conntrack_tcp_timeout_fin_wait=10


Good luck and share your findings here on the list.

-Sashi

On Mar 2, 2009, at 9:45 PM, New User wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We are currently running dedicated LVS-NAT (with the exception of  
> iptables):
>  Intel Xeon 3060 @ 2.4GHz (2 cores)
>  2G RAM
>  2 Gb/s NIC (one external, one internal)
>  LVS-NAT
>  Linux 2.6.18 kernel
>
> It appears we are running out of CPU (usage reached 160, with 40  
> idle, 2 cores) when we reach:
>  ~10K CPS
>  ~100K InPPS
>  ~120K OutPPS
>  ~1 million+ active and number of objects in the ip_vs_conn entry  
> in /proc/slabinfo
>
> We are considering upgrading the setup to the following:
>  2 x Intel Xeon 5430 (2 CPUs, 4 cores each)
>  8G RAM
>  8 Gb/s NIC (4x1Gb in bonding for external, 4x1Gb in bonding for  
> internal)
>  LVS-NAT
>  Linux 2.6.18 (possible newer if it offers performance increase)
>
> The question is how well can the LVS code take advantages of the  
> multiple CPU. There are some conflicting answers to this question on  
> the FAQ and mailing list (in gernal, it helps with the system as a  
> whole). In our actual usage experience, it appears SMP helps, since  
> it did reach 160 CPU usage. However, I do not know if this is real  
> or just an illusion. I do not know if LVS is actually doing real  
> work that caused the usage to be above 100 or is it because of SMP  
> that causing locks that resulted that. Also, in our limited testing  
> of the new setup, we find the SMP helps because with 8 NICs, just to  
> process the interrupts can overwhelm a single CPU (core).
>
> Can anyone share their knowledge or experience for the following:
>  1. Can LVS increase linearly in capacity when we go from the setup  
> we currently have (2 cores with 2 NICs) to what we are considering  
> (8 cores, with 8 NICs)
>  2. Has anyone else used similiar setup that can share their  
> experience? There was a posting to the mailing list in Dec. 2007  
> that indicated the performance limit is ~450K (don't know if it's  
> the sum of InPPS and OutPPS) pps. There was no conclusive answer as  
> to this was the limit of LVS or not
>  3. Has anyone have a setup that can process 1+ million pps (LVS- 
> NAT) on a single LVS machine (we already use multipel LVS with  
> keepalived in a live-live configuration)?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
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I'm rather new to the LVS world(although I've been in linux for years),
so pardon my ignorance on some of the topics/technologies.  The short
story is that I'm running ubnutu 8.04 LTS x64.  I'm trying to set up
ldirectord on a standalone box for now(I'll juice it up with heartbeat
in a few weeks).  Below is a quick list of configs and outputs.  The
problem I'm running into is that, while ipvsadm shows my VIP and RIP's
all up and functioning, nothing is listening on the VIP:port shown by
ipvsadm -L -n.  I've followed
http://www.howtoforge.com/set-up-a-loadbalanced-ha-apache-cluster-ubuntu
8.04 as my setup guide, save that I didn't add heartbeat to the mix.

Installed ldirectord with:

apt-get install ldirectord


Here's the config, located in /etc/ha.d:

# Global Directives
checktimeout=3
checkinterval=10
quiescent=no
logfile="/var/log/ldirectord.log"
autoreload=yes

virtual=10.16.14.66:80
        real=172.16.1.153:2500 masq
        real=172.16.1.153:2501 masq
        real=172.16.1.153:2502 masq
        scheduler=wlc
        service=none
        persistent=30
        checktype=connect
        protocol=tcp



When I launch it in debug mode with "/etc/ha.d/resource.d/ldirectord -d
ldirectord.cf start", here's the initial startup output:

DEBUG2: Running exec(/etc/ha.d/resource.d/ldirectord -d ldirectord.cf
start)
Running exec(/etc/ha.d/resource.d/ldirectord -d ldirectord.cf start)
DEBUG2: Invoking ldirectord invoked as: /etc/ha.d/resource.d/ldirectord
ldirectord.cf start
Invoking ldirectord invoked as: /etc/ha.d/resource.d/ldirectord
ldirectord.cf start
DEBUG2: Starting Linux Director v1.186-ha-2.1.3 with pid: 15113
Starting Linux Director v1.186-ha-2.1.3 with pid: 15113
DEBUG2: Running system(/sbin/ipvsadm -A -t 10.16.14.66:80 -s wlc -p 30 )
Running system(/sbin/ipvsadm -A -t 10.16.14.66:80 -s wlc -p 30 )
DEBUG2: Added virtual server: 10.16.14.66:80
Added virtual server: 10.16.14.66:80
DEBUG2: Disabled real server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2502:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG2: Disabled real server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2500:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG2: Disabled real server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2501:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG2: Checking connect: real
server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2500:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Connected to 172.16.1.153 (port 2500)
DEBUG2: Running system(/sbin/ipvsadm -a -t 10.16.14.66:80 -r
172.16.1.153:2500 -m -w 1)
Running system(/sbin/ipvsadm -a -t 10.16.14.66:80 -r 172.16.1.153:2500
-m -w 1)
DEBUG2: Added real server: 172.16.1.153:2500 (10.16.14.66:80) (Weight
set to 1)
Added real server: 172.16.1.153:2500 (10.16.14.66:80) (Weight set to 1)
DEBUG2: Enabled  real server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2500:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Activated service 172.16.1.153:2500
DEBUG2: Checking connect: real
server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2501:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Connected to 172.16.1.153 (port 2501)
DEBUG2: Running system(/sbin/ipvsadm -a -t 10.16.14.66:80 -r
172.16.1.153:2501 -m -w 1)
Running system(/sbin/ipvsadm -a -t 10.16.14.66:80 -r 172.16.1.153:2501
-m -w 1)
DEBUG2: Added real server: 172.16.1.153:2501 (10.16.14.66:80) (Weight
set to 1)
Added real server: 172.16.1.153:2501 (10.16.14.66:80) (Weight set to 1)
DEBUG2: Enabled  real server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2501:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Activated service 172.16.1.153:2501
DEBUG2: Checking connect: real
server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2502:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Connected to 172.16.1.153 (port 2502)
DEBUG2: Running system(/sbin/ipvsadm -a -t 10.16.14.66:80 -r
172.16.1.153:2502 -m -w 1)
Running system(/sbin/ipvsadm -a -t 10.16.14.66:80 -r 172.16.1.153:2502
-m -w 1)
DEBUG2: Added real server: 172.16.1.153:2502 (10.16.14.66:80) (Weight
set to 1)
Added real server: 172.16.1.153:2502 (10.16.14.66:80) (Weight set to 1)
DEBUG2: Enabled  real server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2502:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Activated service 172.16.1.153:2502
DEBUG2: Checking connect: real
server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2500:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Connected to 172.16.1.153 (port 2500)
DEBUG2: Enabled  real server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2500:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Activated service 172.16.1.153:2500
DEBUG2: Checking connect: real
server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2501:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Connected to 172.16.1.153 (port 2501)
DEBUG2: Enabled  real server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2501:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Activated service 172.16.1.153:2501
DEBUG2: Checking connect: real
server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2502:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Connected to 172.16.1.153 (port 2502)
DEBUG2: Enabled  real server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2502:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Activated service 172.16.1.153:2502


Here's the output of ipvsadm -L -n when started from
/etc/init.d/ldirectord start:

IP Virtual Server version 1.2.1 (size=4096)
Prot LocalAddress:Port Scheduler Flags
  -> RemoteAddress:Port           Forward Weight ActiveConn InActConn
TCP  10.16.14.66:80 wlc persistent 30
  -> 172.16.1.153:2502            Masq    1      0          0
  -> 172.16.1.153:2501            Masq    1      0          0
  -> 172.16.1.153:2500            Masq    1      0          0


Here's ifconfig:

eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:1e:0b:3c:9f:e4
          inet addr:10.16.14.65  Bcast:10.16.14.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          inet6 addr: fe80::21e:bff:fe3c:9fe4/64 Scope:Link
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:33765 errors:14 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:41937 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:556 txqueuelen:1000
          RX bytes:5883114 (5.6 MB)  TX bytes:6308182 (6.0 MB)
          Interrupt:19

eth0:0    Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:1e:0b:3c:9f:e4
          inet addr:10.16.14.66  Bcast:10.16.14.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          Interrupt:19


Here's the result of netstat -pant:

Active Internet connections (servers and established)
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address           Foreign Address
State       PID/Program name
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:55391       172.16.1.153:2500
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:55532       172.16.1.153:2501
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:55544       172.16.1.153:2501
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:55541       172.16.1.153:2501
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:33730       172.16.1.153:2502
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:33718       172.16.1.153:2502
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:33727       172.16.1.153:2502
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:55397       172.16.1.153:2500
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:33721       172.16.1.153:2502
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:55394       172.16.1.153:2500
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:55388       172.16.1.153:2500
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:55538       172.16.1.153:2501
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:33724       172.16.1.153:2502
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:55385       172.16.1.153:2500
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:55535       172.16.1.153:2501
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp6       0      0 :::22                   :::*
LISTEN      4538/sshd
tcp6       0    148 10.16.14.65:22          10.16.14.131:49391
ESTABLISHED 4826/0


Obviously there's nothing listening on 10.16.14.66, except for SSH which
I can connect to.  I've installed apache and had it bind on that address
and port just to make sure there wasn't something funny going on with
the IP.  I'm afraid I'm missing something simple, but I've been reading
old LVS mailing lists and other blog posts for days and can't seem to
find an answer.  I'll gladly add whatever other config/troubleshooting
info is necessary.  Thanks for any help or ideas you can give.

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On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 04:58:53PM -0600, Tim Bourne wrote:
> I'm rather new to the LVS world(although I've been in linux for years),
> so pardon my ignorance on some of the topics/technologies.  The short
> story is that I'm running ubnutu 8.04 LTS x64.  I'm trying to set up
> ldirectord on a standalone box for now(I'll juice it up with heartbeat
> in a few weeks).  Below is a quick list of configs and outputs.  The
> problem I'm running into is that, while ipvsadm shows my VIP and RIP's
> all up and functioning, nothing is listening on the VIP:port shown by
> ipvsadm -L -n.  I've followed
> http://www.howtoforge.com/set-up-a-loadbalanced-ha-apache-cluster-ubuntu
> 8.04 as my setup guide, save that I didn't add heartbeat to the mix.

Hi Tim,

the quick answer to your question is that ldirectord isn't supposed
to bind to VIP:port and this shouldn't be a problem.

The slightly longer answer is that ldirectord effects load balancing by
configuring LVS, which lives in the kernel and acts much more like a router
than a proxy. As such, it does not bind a socket to VIP:port.  Rather, as
packets pass through the kernel's networking code they will be processed by
LVS if they match the VIP:port specified _and_ those packets would
otherwise have been delivered to a local process (this is one area where
LVS isn't quite like a router).  Typically second criteria is satisfied by
placing the VIP on a local interface.

-- 
Simon Horman
  VA Linux Systems Japan K.K., Sydney, Australia Satellite Office
  H: www.vergenet.net/~horms/             W: www.valinux.co.jp/en


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You might also try 'ip addr' to look for the cluster IP.
Certain packages (Like Red Hat Clustering), don't show their IP with
ifconfig, but it will show up with 'ip addr'



Kit 

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Subject: [lvs-users] ldirectord doesn't bind on VIP:port

I'm rather new to the LVS world(although I've been in linux for years), so
pardon my ignorance on some of the topics/technologies.  The short story is
that I'm running ubnutu 8.04 LTS x64.  I'm trying to set up ldirectord on a
standalone box for now(I'll juice it up with heartbeat in a few weeks).
Below is a quick list of configs and outputs.  The problem I'm running into
is that, while ipvsadm shows my VIP and RIP's all up and functioning,
nothing is listening on the VIP:port shown by ipvsadm -L -n.  I've followed
http://www.howtoforge.com/set-up-a-loadbalanced-ha-apache-cluster-ubuntu
8.04 as my setup guide, save that I didn't add heartbeat to the mix.

Installed ldirectord with:

apt-get install ldirectord


Here's the config, located in /etc/ha.d:

# Global Directives
checktimeout=3
checkinterval=10
quiescent=no
logfile="/var/log/ldirectord.log"
autoreload=yes

virtual=10.16.14.66:80
        real=172.16.1.153:2500 masq
        real=172.16.1.153:2501 masq
        real=172.16.1.153:2502 masq
        scheduler=wlc
        service=none
        persistent=30
        checktype=connect
        protocol=tcp



When I launch it in debug mode with "/etc/ha.d/resource.d/ldirectord -d
ldirectord.cf start", here's the initial startup output:

DEBUG2: Running exec(/etc/ha.d/resource.d/ldirectord -d ldirectord.cf
start)
Running exec(/etc/ha.d/resource.d/ldirectord -d ldirectord.cf start)
DEBUG2: Invoking ldirectord invoked as: /etc/ha.d/resource.d/ldirectord
ldirectord.cf start Invoking ldirectord invoked as:
/etc/ha.d/resource.d/ldirectord ldirectord.cf start
DEBUG2: Starting Linux Director v1.186-ha-2.1.3 with pid: 15113 Starting
Linux Director v1.186-ha-2.1.3 with pid: 15113
DEBUG2: Running system(/sbin/ipvsadm -A -t 10.16.14.66:80 -s wlc -p 30 )
Running system(/sbin/ipvsadm -A -t 10.16.14.66:80 -s wlc -p 30 )
DEBUG2: Added virtual server: 10.16.14.66:80 Added virtual server:
10.16.14.66:80
DEBUG2: Disabled real server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2502:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG2: Disabled real server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2500:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG2: Disabled real server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2501:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG2: Checking connect: real
server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2500:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Connected to 172.16.1.153 (port 2500)
DEBUG2: Running system(/sbin/ipvsadm -a -t 10.16.14.66:80 -r
172.16.1.153:2500 -m -w 1) Running system(/sbin/ipvsadm -a -t 10.16.14.66:80
-r 172.16.1.153:2500 -m -w 1)
DEBUG2: Added real server: 172.16.1.153:2500 (10.16.14.66:80) (Weight set to
1) Added real server: 172.16.1.153:2500 (10.16.14.66:80) (Weight set to 1)
DEBUG2: Enabled  real server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2500:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Activated service 172.16.1.153:2500
DEBUG2: Checking connect: real
server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2501:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Connected to 172.16.1.153 (port 2501)
DEBUG2: Running system(/sbin/ipvsadm -a -t 10.16.14.66:80 -r
172.16.1.153:2501 -m -w 1)
Running system(/sbin/ipvsadm -a -t 10.16.14.66:80 -r 172.16.1.153:2501 -m -w
1)
DEBUG2: Added real server: 172.16.1.153:2501 (10.16.14.66:80) (Weight set to
1) Added real server: 172.16.1.153:2501 (10.16.14.66:80) (Weight set to 1)
DEBUG2: Enabled  real server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2501:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Activated service 172.16.1.153:2501
DEBUG2: Checking connect: real
server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2502:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Connected to 172.16.1.153 (port 2502)
DEBUG2: Running system(/sbin/ipvsadm -a -t 10.16.14.66:80 -r
172.16.1.153:2502 -m -w 1)
Running system(/sbin/ipvsadm -a -t 10.16.14.66:80 -r 172.16.1.153:2502 -m -w
1)
DEBUG2: Added real server: 172.16.1.153:2502 (10.16.14.66:80) (Weight set to
1) Added real server: 172.16.1.153:2502 (10.16.14.66:80) (Weight set to 1)
DEBUG2: Enabled  real server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2502:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Activated service 172.16.1.153:2502
DEBUG2: Checking connect: real
server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2500:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Connected to 172.16.1.153 (port 2500)
DEBUG2: Enabled  real server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2500:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Activated service 172.16.1.153:2500
DEBUG2: Checking connect: real
server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2501:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Connected to 172.16.1.153 (port 2501)
DEBUG2: Enabled  real server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2501:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Activated service 172.16.1.153:2501
DEBUG2: Checking connect: real
server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2502:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Connected to 172.16.1.153 (port 2502)
DEBUG2: Enabled  real server=connect:tcp:172.16.1.153:2502:::1:masq:\/:
(virtual=tcp:10.16.14.66:80)
DEBUG3: Activated service 172.16.1.153:2502


Here's the output of ipvsadm -L -n when started from /etc/init.d/ldirectord
start:

IP Virtual Server version 1.2.1 (size=4096) Prot LocalAddress:Port Scheduler
Flags
  -> RemoteAddress:Port           Forward Weight ActiveConn InActConn
TCP  10.16.14.66:80 wlc persistent 30
  -> 172.16.1.153:2502            Masq    1      0          0
  -> 172.16.1.153:2501            Masq    1      0          0
  -> 172.16.1.153:2500            Masq    1      0          0


Here's ifconfig:

eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:1e:0b:3c:9f:e4
          inet addr:10.16.14.65  Bcast:10.16.14.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          inet6 addr: fe80::21e:bff:fe3c:9fe4/64 Scope:Link
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:33765 errors:14 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:41937 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:556 txqueuelen:1000
          RX bytes:5883114 (5.6 MB)  TX bytes:6308182 (6.0 MB)
          Interrupt:19

eth0:0    Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:1e:0b:3c:9f:e4
          inet addr:10.16.14.66  Bcast:10.16.14.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          Interrupt:19


Here's the result of netstat -pant:

Active Internet connections (servers and established)
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address           Foreign Address
State       PID/Program name
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:55391       172.16.1.153:2500
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:55532       172.16.1.153:2501
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:55544       172.16.1.153:2501
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:55541       172.16.1.153:2501
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:33730       172.16.1.153:2502
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:33718       172.16.1.153:2502
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:33727       172.16.1.153:2502
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:55397       172.16.1.153:2500
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:33721       172.16.1.153:2502
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:55394       172.16.1.153:2500
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:55388       172.16.1.153:2500
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:55538       172.16.1.153:2501
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:33724       172.16.1.153:2502
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:55385       172.16.1.153:2500
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 10.16.14.65:55535       172.16.1.153:2501
TIME_WAIT   -
tcp6       0      0 :::22                   :::*
LISTEN      4538/sshd
tcp6       0    148 10.16.14.65:22          10.16.14.131:49391
ESTABLISHED 4826/0


Obviously there's nothing listening on 10.16.14.66, except for SSH which I
can connect to.  I've installed apache and had it bind on that address and
port just to make sure there wasn't something funny going on with the IP.
I'm afraid I'm missing something simple, but I've been reading old LVS
mailing lists and other blog posts for days and can't seem to find an
answer.  I'll gladly add whatever other config/troubleshooting info is
necessary.  Thanks for any help or ideas you can give.

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Hey there
 
I am attempting to upgrade our internal load balancing system from
ldirectord to lvs with the Piranha front end. As we currently run our
system, we have two servers each running ldirectord/heartbeat, we have
active/standby servers for load balancing, but we also run the virtual
servers as active/standby (or real/fallback in the ldirectord
terminology)
 
I have been able to replicate the active/standby for the servers, but
cannot see how I can do active/standby with the virtual servers. I
attempted to set one of the real servers to a priority of 0 and the
other priority 1 whilst using WRR as the load balancing method.
Strangely I still continued to see connections directed to the server
with the priority of 0, which runs in direct contradiction to how I
understanding the priority system works (I understood priority 0 means
accept no new connections)
 
Anyone who can offer some assistance would be greatly appreciated.
 
Regards,
Sean

 
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> Hey there
>
> I am attempting to upgrade our internal load balancing system from
> ldirectord to lvs with the Piranha front end.

> Anyone who can offer some assistance would be greatly appreciated.

There's some perspective on Piranha in the HOWTO

Joe

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I have read through the howto located at
http://www.redhat.com/support/resources/howto/piranha/ it does not seem
to offer any real insight into the problem I am facing. 

If there is another HOWTO you are referring to, please direct me to it
so I can have a read.

- Sean 

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> Hey there
>
> I am attempting to upgrade our internal load balancing system from 
> ldirectord to lvs with the Piranha front end.

> Anyone who can offer some assistance would be greatly appreciated.

There's some perspective on Piranha in the HOWTO

Joe

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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Sean Drill
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> I have been able to replicate the active/standby for the servers, but
> cannot see how I can do active/standby with the virtual servers. I
> attempted to set one of the real servers to a priority of 0 and the
> other priority 1 whilst using WRR as the load balancing method.
> Strangely I still continued to see connections directed to the server
> with the priority of 0, which runs in direct contradiction to how I
> understanding the priority system works (I understood priority 0 means
> accept no new connections)



Take a look at
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It's probably what you're looking for.


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I believe I may not have explained myself quite clearly, so I will
attempt to  explain this better.

Our current configuration is configured using ldirectord. The active
node hosts all the virtual servers. Each virtual server will have an
active real server, and a backup real server. All the traffic will be
directed to the active real server, unless that server becomes
unreachable, at which point all traffic will be directed to the backup
server.

I am however only able to get piranha/lvs to do load sharing. In this
case as long as both servers are set to UP, then traffic will be
balanced between all servers (determined by load balancing scheme and
weighting.) What I am attempting to do is create a virtual server in
LVS, which has two active REAL servers, however direct traffic only to
one of them, unless otherwise directed or if the active member fail,
then direct traffic to the backup.

I hope this is a little clearer

Regards

- Sean 

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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Sean Drill
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> I have been able to replicate the active/standby for the servers, but 
> cannot see how I can do active/standby with the virtual servers. I 
> attempted to set one of the real servers to a priority of 0 and the 
> other priority 1 whilst using WRR as the load balancing method.
> Strangely I still continued to see connections directed to the server 
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> understanding the priority system works (I understood priority 0 means

> accept no new connections)



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It's probably what you're looking for.


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On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 17:07 +0900, Sean Drill wrote:
> I am however only able to get piranha/lvs to do load sharing.

Unfortunately this is the wrong list to ask about usage of Piranha -
there's a separate list for RedHat's tools:

https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/piranha-list

...but as I've said before on this list, it's pretty quiet there.

With no knowledge whatsoever of Piranha I'd say you could go a long way
towards achieving your aim by using WRR with weights of (say) 9999 for
one server, and 1 for the other. It won't be a completely hot/cold
system but it will get fairly close.

Graeme


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On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Sean Drill wrote:

> If there is another HOWTO you are referring to, please direct me to it
> so I can have a read.

LVS HOWTO

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Hello,

I am running LVS-NAT with Piranha on Fedora 10, I am very satifsfied, but
the only problem that I have is that realservers cannot access external VIP
of LVS router.

I want to migrate configuration to LVS-DR. What is required to do with IP
configuration and ARP on the router side and on the realserver side?

Assume attached image as current structure.


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On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 17:00 +0400, George Machitidze wrote:
> I am running LVS-NAT with Piranha on Fedora 10, I am very satifsfied, but
> the only problem that I have is that realservers cannot access external VIP
> of LVS router.

This is covered in some depth in the LVS HOWTO.

The short explanation is that this isn't possible; the longer answer is
that it might be, but it depends very much on your requirement and local
circumstances as to whether you can make it work.

Most notably, using LVS-DR requires the VIP to be bound to a
loopback/dummy/other adapter on the realservers (httpd servers in your
case) which would result in all connections from those servers to the
VIP being handled locally.

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Thanks Graeme,

LVS-DR part of howto is a bit confusing me - it's better to check mini :)

Seems like on router i need to switch to dr mode and on realserver to check
arp issue and assign virtual ip's, that's all I hope :)


On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Graeme Fowler <graeme@graemef.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 17:00 +0400, George Machitidze wrote:
> > I am running LVS-NAT with Piranha on Fedora 10, I am very satifsfied, but
> > the only problem that I have is that realservers cannot access external
> VIP
> > of LVS router.
>
> This is covered in some depth in the LVS HOWTO.
>
> The short explanation is that this isn't possible; the longer answer is
> that it might be, but it depends very much on your requirement and local
> circumstances as to whether you can make it work.
>
> Most notably, using LVS-DR requires the VIP to be bound to a
> loopback/dummy/other adapter on the realservers (httpd servers in your
> case) which would result in all connections from those servers to the
> VIP being handled locally.
>
> Graeme
>
>
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Sean Drill wrote:
> I am however only able to get piranha/lvs to do load sharing. In this
> case as long as both servers are set to UP, then traffic will be
> balanced between all servers (determined by load balancing scheme and
> weighting.) What I am attempting to do is create a virtual server in
> LVS, which has two active REAL servers, however direct traffic only to
> one of them, unless otherwise directed or if the active member fail,
> then direct traffic to the backup.
>   

The behaviour you want is achieved with a sorry server. Basically, the
first RS is on it's own in the pool, and the second RS is defined as a
sorry server, or failback, depending on the vocabulary.

Here is an example using keepalived. The first virtual service (fwmark
10) is a load balancing across the 2 RS, and the second (fwmark 11) is
in active/passive. Keep in mind to also detect failure of the backup RS
to be able to repare it before you need to use it.


virtual_server fwmark 10 {
    delay_loop 6
    lb_algo wlc
    lb_kind DR
    protocol TCP

    real_server 172.31.241.64 3306 {
        weight 100
        MISC_CHECK {
        misc_path "/usr/local/bin/check_mysql2.sh 172.31.241.64"
        misc_timeout 10
        misc_dynamic
        }
    }
    real_server 172.31.241.66 3306 {
        weight 100
        MISC_CHECK {
        misc_path "/usr/local/bin/check_mysql2.sh 172.31.241.66"
        misc_timeout 10
        misc_dynamic
        }
     }
}

virtual_server fwmark 11 {
    delay_loop 6
    lb_algo wlc
    lb_kind DR
    protocol TCP

    sorry_server 172.31.241.66 3306

    real_server 172.31.241.64 3306 {
        weight 100
        MISC_CHECK {
        misc_path "/usr/local/bin/check_mysql_fo.sh 172.31.241.64"
        misc_timeout 10
        }
    }
}

-- 
Thomas


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Thanks for the tips!

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You might also try 'ip addr' to look for the cluster IP.
Certain packages (Like Red Hat Clustering), don't show their IP with
ifconfig, but it will show up with 'ip addr'



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Would another valid approach be to set up your real servers in a
heartbeat config with the 'real IP' failing between them?  I know it
adds another level of configuration/complexity, but I think it would
accomplish what you're looking for.

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Sean Drill wrote:
> I am however only able to get piranha/lvs to do load sharing. In this
> case as long as both servers are set to UP, then traffic will be
> balanced between all servers (determined by load balancing scheme and
> weighting.) What I am attempting to do is create a virtual server in
> LVS, which has two active REAL servers, however direct traffic only to
> one of them, unless otherwise directed or if the active member fail,
> then direct traffic to the backup.


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Hi all,

I have been using LVS with Direct Routing(DR) for years in my production.
Now I am turning to lvs/nat for some research and find that the thought
behind lvs/nat is quite simple and easy to understand.
I am not familiar with F5 loadbalancing products and only have a basic
understanding that they (F5) are basically NAT devices (when we use them in
layer 4 loadbalancing solutions).

Can someone give me a clear and simple picture of the difference between F5
NAT solution and LVS/NAT mode?

Any links to the documentation of F5 solutions will be welcomed.

Thank you in advance.

Yours,
XUFENG
>From China.



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Hi all,
We want to set up the following:

Internet server: 111.111.111.111 sshd port:22
LoadBalancer VIP 122.122.122.122:80 (eth0)
LoadBalancer DIP 10.0.0.9 (eth1)
Real server1:10.0.0.10(eth1) httpd port:80
On LoadBalancer we have iptables with no rules at all.(Default ACCEPT).
On Real server1 we set the default gateway as 10.0.0.9, also we have
iptables with no rules at all.(Default ACCEPT).

I know it works well if clients from outside world access services provided
on VIP:80.
But what happens on loadbalancer (which has no iptables NAT rules in itself)
if real servers(10.0.0.10) in lvs/nat as a client to access
Internet(111.111.111.111:22)?
How are the packets changed or handled on loadbalancer when it receives
requests from 10.0.0.10 with a dst address 111.111.111.111 dst port 22 and
receives responses from 111.111.111.111?
Thanks in advance.

Yours,
XUFENG
>From China.




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Hello,

Just push a new release to website to fix regressions brought by last
release.

Changelog looks like :

2009-03-05  Alexandre Cassen  <acassen@linux-vs.org>
        * keepalived-1.1.17 released.
        * Fixed low-level scheduler timer computation to take care to
          monothonic computation. Select returns if timer is null!
        * VRRP : Fixed vrrp script initialization to use event thread
          instead of timer thread so that script no longer need to
          wait until first polling timer fired.
        * VRRP : Willy and I fixed MII media link failure detection
          to test SIOCGMIIREG call before fetching BMSR.
        * VRRP : Resurected VRRP_STATE_GOTO_FAULT. This state is
          really needed to speed-up convergence and prevent against
          any issue while using vrrp_sync_group.

regs,
Alexandre


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XUFENG,

>From my limited knowledge:
LVS NAT mode and F5 NAT mode are identical (F5 probably has more
helper modules though for complex protocols).
>From a layer 4 perspective they are very similar in performance and features.

However a lot of F5 setups use layer 7 proxy features either full
non-transparent proxy mode or transparent proxy & NAT combined.
This is very flexible for people with legacy applications / infrastructure.







2009/3/5 XUFENG <xufengnju@sina.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have been using LVS with Direct Routing(DR) for years in my production.
> Now I am turning to lvs/nat for some research and find that the thought
> behind lvs/nat is quite simple and easy to understand.
> I am not familiar with F5 loadbalancing products and only have a basic
> understanding that they (F5) are basically NAT devices (when we use them in
> layer 4 loadbalancing solutions).
>
> Can someone give me a clear and simple picture of the difference between F5
> NAT solution and LVS/NAT mode?
>
> Any links to the documentation of F5 solutions will be welcomed.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Yours,
> XUFENG
> >From China.
>
>
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On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, XUFENG wrote:

there's some info on F5 SNAT in the HOWTO

> But what happens on loadbalancer (which has no iptables NAT rules in itself)
> if real servers(10.0.0.10) in lvs/nat as a client to access
> Internet(111.111.111.111:22)?

look in the HOWTO for clients on realservers

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Hey Brandon,

The slow startup problem then lies with the real server. When
ldirectord is started it does a health check and adds machines to LVS.
So depending upon the page loading time your LVS startup time will
vary.

Sameer

On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Brandon Hilkert <bhilkert@vt.edu> wrote:
> Hey Sameer,
>
> We're just using negotiate, not both. Sorry if I made it confusing. Part of
> the problem is that most of our websites are database driven and then page
> we check loads a bunch of data objects, so sometimes during high traffic
> load, it may take 15-20 sec for the page to load, so I have to increase the
> negotiate timeout to something much higher to account for this, or else the
> thing would be failing over constantly. For us, a simple connect check
> wouldn't necessarily be a true test if the website is functioning properly.
> The IP could be up and pass the Ldirector test, but if the page doesn't
> display properly, then it's useless and should certainly failover. We're
> balancing windows machines, and sometimes and they don't just fail like
> that, the IP will be up, but the website wouldn't be displaying.
> Unfortunate, but true...
>
> I've tried to pair the negotiate timeouts with the site itself on a
> case-by-case basis hoping to minimize the delay during startup and failover.
> It seems I don't have much choice. I guess I just have to hope that the
> Ldirectord doesn't randomly go down, but that's why it's on Linux right? :)
>
> Thanks,
> Brandon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sameer Garg" <sameer.garg@gmail.com>
> To: "LinuxVirtualServer.org users mailing list."
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> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:06 PM
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>
>
> Hi Brandon,
>
> I am using LVS in a scenario where we are load balancing 20 different
> subdomains across 40+ machines and have yet to experience a delay. Why
> are you using two types of checks: negotiate and http check? I use
> http and it works like a charm.
>
> Sameer
>
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Brandon Hilkert <bhilkert@vt.edu> wrote:
>> We're trying to balance 12 or so sites off this one ldirector box. Because
>> we use the negotiate check method and check for a keyword on a page,
>> sometimes there is a few minute delay when the service starts because it
>> goes site by site and checks each one, then brings it up upon successfully
>> find the keyword.
>>
>> Is there any way to have the service automatically bring everything up and
>> then go into its checking routine, but first assume all the real servers
>> are up?
>>
>> This would help us avoid a few minutes of downtime if the machine/service
>> were to be restarted.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon
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btw in our case we fetch a static object which is much faster.

Sameer

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Sameer Garg <sameer.garg@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Brandon,
>
> The slow startup problem then lies with the real server. When
> ldirectord is started it does a health check and adds machines to LVS.
> So depending upon the page loading time your LVS startup time will
> vary.
>
> Sameer
>
> On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Brandon Hilkert <bhilkert@vt.edu> wrote:
>> Hey Sameer,
>>
>> We're just using negotiate, not both. Sorry if I made it confusing. Part of
>> the problem is that most of our websites are database driven and then page
>> we check loads a bunch of data objects, so sometimes during high traffic
>> load, it may take 15-20 sec for the page to load, so I have to increase the
>> negotiate timeout to something much higher to account for this, or else the
>> thing would be failing over constantly. For us, a simple connect check
>> wouldn't necessarily be a true test if the website is functioning properly.
>> The IP could be up and pass the Ldirector test, but if the page doesn't
>> display properly, then it's useless and should certainly failover. We're
>> balancing windows machines, and sometimes and they don't just fail like
>> that, the IP will be up, but the website wouldn't be displaying.
>> Unfortunate, but true...
>>
>> I've tried to pair the negotiate timeouts with the site itself on a
>> case-by-case basis hoping to minimize the delay during startup and failover.
>> It seems I don't have much choice. I guess I just have to hope that the
>> Ldirectord doesn't randomly go down, but that's why it's on Linux right? :)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sameer Garg" <sameer.garg@gmail.com>
>> To: "LinuxVirtualServer.org users mailing list."
>> <lvs-users@linuxvirtualserver.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [lvs-users] Ldirector Startup Delay
>>
>>
>> Hi Brandon,
>>
>> I am using LVS in a scenario where we are load balancing 20 different
>> subdomains across 40+ machines and have yet to experience a delay. Why
>> are you using two types of checks: negotiate and http check? I use
>> http and it works like a charm.
>>
>> Sameer
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Brandon Hilkert <bhilkert@vt.edu> wrote:
>>> We're trying to balance 12 or so sites off this one ldirector box. Because
>>> we use the negotiate check method and check for a keyword on a page,
>>> sometimes there is a few minute delay when the service starts because it
>>> goes site by site and checks each one, then brings it up upon successfully
>>> find the keyword.
>>>
>>> Is there any way to have the service automatically bring everything up and
>>> then go into its checking routine, but first assume all the real servers
>>> are up?
>>>
>>> This would help us avoid a few minutes of downtime if the machine/service
>>> were to be restarted.
>>>
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Did you change websites?

http://www.keepalived.org/ is down for me. Perhaps I just have bad  
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-- Jesse

On Mar 5, 2009, at 3:50 AM, Alexandre Cassen wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Just push a new release to website to fix regressions brought by last
> release.
>
> Changelog looks like :
>
> 2009-03-05  Alexandre Cassen  <acassen@linux-vs.org>
>        * keepalived-1.1.17 released.
>        * Fixed low-level scheduler timer computation to take care to
>          monothonic computation. Select returns if timer is null!
>        * VRRP : Fixed vrrp script initialization to use event thread
>          instead of timer thread so that script no longer need to
>          wait until first polling timer fired.
>        * VRRP : Willy and I fixed MII media link failure detection
>          to test SIOCGMIIREG call before fetching BMSR.
>        * VRRP : Resurected VRRP_STATE_GOTO_FAULT. This state is
>          really needed to speed-up convergence and prevent against
>          any issue while using vrrp_sync_group.
>
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Perhaps. It's fine from here (AS786, UK).

Graeme


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Yeah it's fine here too (IL, USA).

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> Perhaps. It's fine from here (AS786, UK).
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If you're not careful, you went to http://keepalived.org and that used 
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Nookala Satish Kumar wrote:
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>
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>> On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 08:08 -0500, Jesse Read wrote:
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>>>       
>> Perhaps. It's fine from here (AS786, UK).
>>
>> Graeme
>>
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Howdy all,

I'm trying to get ldirectord set up to balance to multiple local ports
on the director box.  E.g., 172.16.1.153:180(the host running
ldirectord) balances to 172.16.1.153:2500-2502.  Here's the
configuration:

# Global Directives
checktimeout=3
checkinterval=10
quiescent=no
logfile="/var/log/ldirectord.log"
autoreload=yes

virtual=172.16.1.153:180
        real=172.16.1.153:2500 masq
        real=172.16.1.153:2501 masq
        real=172.16.1.153:2502 masq
        scheduler=wlc
        service=none
        persistent=30
        checktype=connect
        protocol=tcp


When I run a tcpdump to watch incoming traffic, 172.16.1.153 sends back
a RST packet for any incoming requests.  Ipvsadm seems to think
everything is hunky dory.

IP Virtual Server version 1.2.1 (size=4096)
Prot LocalAddress:Port Scheduler Flags
  -> RemoteAddress:Port           Forward Weight ActiveConn InActConn
TCP  172.16.1.153:180 wlc persistent 30
  -> 172.16.1.153:2502            Local   1      0          0
  -> 172.16.1.153:2501            Local   1      0          0
  -> 172.16.1.153:2500            Local   1      0          0


I have set up IP forwarding and all the /etc/modules ip_vs_*.ko and
such.  I've tried changing the real servers to 127.0.0.1, but that
didn't make a difference.  I'm afraid I'm missing something simple here,
but I just can't seem to get it going.  Thanks for any ideas.

Tim Bourne
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On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Tim Bourne wrote:

> Howdy all,
>
> I'm trying to get ldirectord set up to balance to multiple local ports
> on the director box.

can't be done. A local node packet is delivered without 
changing the port. Try multiple local IPs

Joe

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Am Donnerstag, 5. M=E4rz 2009 20:35:20 schrieb Joseph Mack NA3T:
> On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Tim Bourne wrote:
> > Howdy all,
> >
> > I'm trying to get ldirectord set up to balance to multiple local ports
> > on the director box.
>
> can't be done. A local node packet is delivered without
> changing the port. Try multiple local IPs
>
> Joe

Can't this be done by iptables magle?

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On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Michael Schwartzkopff wrote:

>>> I'm trying to get ldirectord set up to balance to multiple local ports
>>> on the director box.
>>
>> can't be done. A local node packet is delivered without
>> changing the port. Try multiple local IPs
>>
>> Joe
>
> Can't this be done by iptables magle?

Hmm. I would have thought that someone would have tried this 
by now, but I can't remember whether they did or not. So I 
can't say no off the top of my head.

If the packets did get rewritten on the way in, you'd have 
to rewrite the reply packet on the way back.

Joe

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Hi
It says that 'Using a big IPVS connection hash table will greatly reduce
conflicts when there are hundreds of thousands of connections in the hash
table. ' on http://kb.linuxvirtualserver.org/wiki/Performance_and_Tuning and
it points out that 'We can configure the size of IPVS connection hash table
before compiling the Linux kernel.'

Is there another way to tune this parameter (IPVS connection table size)
besides recompiling the Linux kernel?

Yours,
XUFENG
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On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 10:35 +0800, XUFENG wrote:
> Is there another way to tune this parameter (IPVS connection table size)
> besides recompiling the Linux kernel?

Unfortunately not, no. There was a thread either here or on lvs-devel a
few weeks ago about this very factoid.

Of course, if you have everything modular then all you need is the
recompiled module (rather than the whole kernel) but that's an exercise
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On Fri, 6 Mar 2009, Graeme Fowler wrote:

> On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 10:35 +0800, XUFENG wrote:
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read the HOWTO on changing the table size

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Joe, 
 
I wanted to chime in on this and ask another question.  I've read the article in the how to some time ago and my basic understanding is that if we leave the bucket at the default there is no real fear of loosing any connections as long as we have enough ram (as each of the buckets can have any number of connections).
 
So is the assumption that large amounts of memory (2gb+) should be able to handle pretty much an unlimited number of connections?
 
 

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On Fri, 6 Mar 2009, Graeme Fowler wrote:

> On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 10:35 +0800, XUFENG wrote:
>> Is there another way to tune this parameter (IPVS connection table size)
>> besides recompiling the Linux kernel?

read the HOWTO on changing the table size

Joe

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On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Gary W. Smith wrote:

> Joe,
>
> I wanted to chime in on this and ask another question. 
> I've read the article in the how to some time ago and my 
> basic understanding is that if we leave the bucket at the 
> default there is no real fear of loosing any connections 
> as long as we have enough ram (as each of the buckets can 
> have any number of connections).

yes

> So is the assumption that large amounts of memory (2gb+) 
> should be able to handle pretty much an unlimited number 
> of connections?

a connection uses about 112 bytes (forget exactly what). 
Ignoring memory taken by the kernel, apps etc, you can have 
2G/112 simultaneous connections.

Changing the number of buckets doesn't change the number of 
connnections that can be stored, only the number of buckets 
in which they're stored.

Joe

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> > So is the assumption that large amounts of memory (2gb+)
> > should be able to handle pretty much an unlimited number
> > of connections?
> 
> a connection uses about 112 bytes (forget exactly what).
> Ignoring memory taken by the kernel, apps etc, you can have
> 2G/112 simultaneous connections.
> 
> Changing the number of buckets doesn't change the number of
> connnections that can be stored, only the number of buckets
> in which they're stored.
> 
> Joe
> 

So I'm looking at about 15M connections.  I can live with that.  

Thanks, 

Gary

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Hi,

In running "ipvsadm -L -n" you get a list of your real servers together 
with columns "ActiveConn" and "InActConn".

How are connections divided into these 2 groups.
1) with the initial SYN from the client to the real server
2) only after the SYN_ACK from the real server back to the client
3) some other time?

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Do newer LVS implementations allow hairpinning requests back out the
same interface they arrived on? In other words, if my load balancer has
virtual services listening on its eth0, and the realservers are on eth1,
is it possible for a client computer on eth1 to connect to the VS on
eth0 and be redirected back to one of the RS's on eth1?

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On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, Robinson, Eric wrote:

> Do newer LVS implementations allow hairpinning requests 
> back out the same interface they arrived on? In other 
> words, if my load balancer has virtual services listening 
> on its eth0, and the realservers are on eth1, is it 
> possible for a client computer on eth1

a client computer can be attached to any NIC on the 
director.

> to connect to the VS on eth0 and be redirected back to one 
> of the RS's on eth1?

Provided you haven't done something to block the routing, it 
should work. I don't know what "newer LVS implementations" 
has to do with this

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Howdy!

I have a two-interface configuration on my director, where each 
interface is on a different subnet -- an internal interface with the 
realservers, and an external one with the VIPs. Using LVS-NAT, SYN 
packets are correctly routed by the director to an appropriate 
realserver and ACKs are appropriately routed back to the director from 
the realclient (via the default gateway) -- but when the director emits 
the demasqueraded ACK to be sent to the client, it does so on the 
internal interface rather than the external one, and the router between 
the two (which I don't control) is disinclined to forward it.


I've tried to work around this using source routing, as follows:

# ip rule show
0:      from all lookup local
32764:  from <INTERNAL_NET> lookup int
32765:  from <EXTERNAL_NET> lookup ext
32766:  from all lookup main
32767:  from all lookup default
# ip route show table ext
<EXTERNAL_NET> dev eth1  scope link
default via <EXTERNAL_GW> dev eth1
# ip route show table int
<INTERNAL_NET> dev eth0  scope link
default via <INTERNAL_GW> dev eth0

As the demasqueraded packets have a source address on <EXTERNAL_NET>, I 
would expect them to leave on eth1 via <EXTERNAL_GW>. However, this does 
not happen -- the demasqueraded packet attempts to leave via eth0, and 
thus never reaches its destination.

Any hints?


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On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Charles Duffy wrote:

> Howdy!
>
> I have a two-interface configuration on my director, where each
> interface is on a different subnet -- an internal interface with the
> realservers, and an external one with the VIPs. Using LVS-NAT, SYN
> packets are correctly routed by the director to an appropriate
> realserver and ACKs are appropriately routed back to the director from
> the realclient (via the default gateway) -- but when the director emits
> the demasqueraded ACK to be sent to the client, it does so on the
> internal interface rather than the external one,

This is supposed to work.

Things to look for would be

o you have an after market enhanced version of LVS. Use a 
standard kernel not a centos kernel

o you have iptables rules running.

> I've tried to work around this using source routing, as follows:

this is not the solution

Joe
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Hi all,


I've been scratching my head a bit with a performance issue on a live system
and was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction for
resolving?


I have a load balancer using 2.4.32 stock kernel running LVS with HTTP &
HTTPS in DR mode with 10 real servers each.
The load balancer is a 2.4GHz Celeron with 512Mb RAM, broadcom gigabit nics.

free -m shows 300MB used + 200MB cached (no swap file)

When the active connections climb to 60,000 and throughput is about 100MB+
we get a sudden and massive drop of in throughput...
We get a corresponding drop in system CPU and increase in Kernel CPU...
I have a selection of graphs here including throughput and cpu usage etc.

http://www.loadbalancer.org/test/

No errors in syslog relating to NICs or netfilter etc.

The actual number of connections is actually about 9K or 11K/sec (Direct
routing exagerating them), I was looking at using ipvsadm --set to reduce
the TCP timeout and therefore connection table size but I don't think that
the memory is an issue.

Any other ideas?

*NB. I've tested similar hardware to 800MB+ and 50K cons/sec (obviously with
small/large packet sizes though not live data)*

Many thanks in advance for any insight :-).

-- 
Regards,

Malcolm Turnbull.

Loadbalancer.org Ltd.
Phone: +44 (0)870 443 8779
http://www.loadbalancer.org/
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Hi all,

(sorry last post was in html by mistake)

I've been scratching my head a bit with a performance issue on a live
system and was wondering if anyone could point me in the right
direction for resolving?


I have a load balancer using 2.4.32 stock kernel running LVS with HTTP
& HTTPS in DR mode with 10 real servers each.
The load balancer is a 2.4GHz Celeron with 512Mb RAM, broadcom gigabit nics.

free -m shows 300MB used + 200MB cached (no swap file)

When the active connections climb to 60,000 and throughput is about
100MB+ we get a sudden and massive drop of in throughput...
We get a corresponding drop in system CPU and increase in Kernel CPU...
I have a selection of graphs here including throughput and cpu usage etc.

http://www.loadbalancer.org/test/

No errors in syslog relating to NICs or netfilter etc.

The actual number of connections is actually about 9K or 11K/sec
(Direct routing exagerating them), I was looking at using ipvsadm
--set to reduce the TCP timeout and therefore connection table size
but I don't think that the memory is an issue.

Any other ideas?

NB. I've tested similar hardware to 800MB+ and 50K cons/sec (obviously
with small/large packet sizes though not live data)

Many thanks in advance for any insight :-).

--
Regards,

Malcolm Turnbull.

Loadbalancer.org Ltd.
Phone: +44 (0)870 443 8779
http://www.loadbalancer.org/

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On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 19:14 -0500, Charles Duffy wrote:
> # ip rule show
> 0:      from all lookup local
> 32764:  from <INTERNAL_NET> lookup int
> 32765:  from <EXTERNAL_NET> lookup ext
> 32766:  from all lookup main
> 32767:  from all lookup default
> # ip route show table ext
> <EXTERNAL_NET> dev eth1  scope link
> default via <EXTERNAL_GW> dev eth1
> # ip route show table int
> <INTERNAL_NET> dev eth0  scope link
> default via <INTERNAL_GW> dev eth0

Simple fix: have a single default route. You should only very rarely
have two defaults. If you make sure your box has a single default route
via EXTERNAL_GW then your problem will resolve itself.

Networking 101 :)

Graeme


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On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 09:18 +0000, Malcolm Turnbull wrote:
> When the active connections climb to 60,000 and throughput is about
> 100MB+ we get a sudden and massive drop of in throughput...

That looks to me very much like an interrupt-handling issue. What
architecture are your NICs using - PCI, PCIe etc etc? Are they on board
using a common bus?

I'd surmise that either they're on a common PCI bus which is saturated,
or they're sharing an IRQ and just can't go any faster. Can you separate
them (either in BIOS or driver)?

You might want to look back at CPU affinity which was discussed
recently, although you say this a Celery so that throws out SMP magic as
a fix!

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Joseph Mack NA3T wrote:
> Things to look for would be
> 
> o you have an after market enhanced version of LVS. Use a 
> standard kernel not a centos kernel

This was it; moving to a freshly compiled 2.6.28.7 resolved the issue.

I'll probably be looking into whether RHEL5 exhibits this issue at some 
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The client computer and the realserver are both on the same segment
connected to the director's eth1. (MOST client computers are on the
other side of the director on eth0.) The VS is configured on eth0 in
LVS-NAT mode. Clients on the "outside" connect through the director to
the RS fine. The one client on the inside cannot connect through the VS
on eth0. It just times out. I looked into this once before and it has to
do with icmp redirects, local routing, ARPs, and so on. Bottom line is
that the client's SYN packet gets redirected through LVS, but the
server's SYN-ACK goes straight to the client since they are both on the
same segment. The client ignores it because it comes from the wrong IP
address. You're right... the "newer implementations" comment was muddy
thinking. 

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On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, Robinson, Eric wrote:

> Do newer LVS implementations allow hairpinning requests back out the 
> same interface they arrived on? In other words, if my load balancer 
> has virtual services listening on its eth0, and the realservers are on

> eth1, is it possible for a client computer on eth1

a client computer can be attached to any NIC on the director.

> to connect to the VS on eth0 and be redirected back to one of the RS's

> on eth1?

Provided you haven't done something to block the routing, it should
work. I don't know what "newer LVS implementations" 
has to do with this

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Graeme,

Turned out it was a mixture of conntrack on the real servers filling up,

http://www.austintek.com/LVS/LVS-HOWTO/HOWTO/LVS-HOWTO.performance.html#conntrack_filling_tables

and fairly old hardware on the load balancer (I didn't realise just how old)....

Thanks.




2009/3/12 Graeme Fowler <graeme@graemef.net>:
> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 09:18 +0000, Malcolm Turnbull wrote:
>> When the active connections climb to 60,000 and throughput is about
>> 100MB+ we get a sudden and massive drop of in throughput...
>
> That looks to me very much like an interrupt-handling issue. What
> architecture are your NICs using - PCI, PCIe etc etc? Are they on board
> using a common bus?
>
> I'd surmise that either they're on a common PCI bus which is saturated,
> or they're sharing an IRQ and just can't go any faster. Can you separate
> them (either in BIOS or driver)?
>
> You might want to look back at CPU affinity which was discussed
> recently, although you say this a Celery so that throws out SMP magic as
> a fix!
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> Graeme
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On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 16:43 +0000, Malcolm Turnbull wrote:
> Turned out it was a mixture of conntrack on the real servers filling up,

Gah.

Good practice: don't put LVS traffic into conntrack *unless you have
to*. "man iptables", look for the "raw" table and NOTRACK target:

NOTRACK
This  target disables connection tracking for all packets matching that
rule.

A Very Useful Thing Indeed, he said (adopting a Pooh-type voice).

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Graeme Fowler wrote:
> Simple fix: have a single default route. You should only very rarely
> have two defaults. If you make sure your box has a single default route
> via EXTERNAL_GW then your problem will resolve itself.

Except that my box isn't allowed to talk to anything via EXTERNAL_GW; 
packets routed out through it, except those coming from the VIPs, are 
silently dropped. I'm only allowed to talk to the outside world when 
going through <INTERNAL_GW>.

Finding out why, or getting this changed, would mean putting in a work 
order with the firewall guys and waiting a few weeks.


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On Thu, 12 Mar 2009, Robinson, Eric wrote:

> The client computer and the realserver are both on the same segment
> connected to the director's eth1. (MOST client computers are on the
> other side of the director on eth0.) The VS is configured on eth0 in
> LVS-NAT mode.

look up "one network LVS-NAT" in the HOWTO

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Hello,

I'm in exactly the same situation as the fellow here:
http://archive.linuxvirtualserver.org/html/lvs-users/2008-06/msg00042.html

Noting the lack of replies or a native rad-acct check option for
ldirectord I was wondering why not adding a UDP "connect" service check to
it? I know it's not as straightforward or reliable as TCP, but in most
environments it should give much more useful results than "none" or "ping".
Netcat seems to have no problem figuring out if something is listening on
an UDP port:
---
auth01:/etc/heartbeat# nc -v -u -z 10.0.0.2 1813
10.0.0.2: inverse host lookup failed: Unknown host
(UNKNOWN) [10.0.0.2] 1813 (radius-acct) open
auth01:/etc/heartbeat# nc -v -u -z 10.0.0.2 1814
10.0.0.2: inverse host lookup failed: Unknown host
(UNKNOWN) [10.0.0.2] 1814 (?) open
auth01:/etc/heartbeat# nc -v -u -z 10.0.0.2 1815
10.0.0.2: inverse host lookup failed: Unknown host
(UNKNOWN) [10.0.0.2] 1815 (?) : Connection refused
---

It would be really nice to see this in a future version so that any UDP
service can be somewhat monitored. 
While hacking this into the installed ldirectord seems easy enough the
likelihood of it being overwritten by a security update during the
lifetime of these servers is just too high.

So for the here and now, I guess the external "misc_check" of keepalived
might be better suited?

Regards,

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HI,

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Christian Balzer <chibi@gol.com> wrote:

> Noting the lack of replies or a native rad-acct check option for
> ldirectord I was wondering why not adding a UDP "connect" service check to
> it? I know it's not as straightforward or reliable as TCP, but in most
> environments it should give much more useful results than "none" or "ping".
> Netcat seems to have no problem figuring out if something is listening on
> an UDP port:



I know this is not exactly what you're asking for, but why not try the new
external check feature?


S.
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Hello,

On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:05:29 +0100 Sebastian Vieira wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Christian Balzer <chibi@gol.com> wrote:
> 
> > Noting the lack of replies or a native rad-acct check option for
> > ldirectord I was wondering why not adding a UDP "connect" service
> > check to it? I know it's not as straightforward or reliable as TCP,
> > but in most environments it should give much more useful results than
> > "none" or "ping". Netcat seems to have no problem figuring out if
> > something is listening on an UDP port:
> 
> 
> I know this is not exactly what you're asking for, but why not try the
> new external check feature?
> 
New... feature....
ARGH, I was looking at an old (Debian etch) manpage.
The new boxes running lenny indeed have a ldirectord with that feature
listed. Now that should make it really easy and without the need to fondle
stuff that is not under my control.

Thanks a lot for bringing this up!

Regards,

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I already setup my rules in ipvsadm. However, its not connecting to the real server. Here is the procedure in my VIP

(not real ip address)

ipvsadm -A -t 202.81.26.31:80 -s wlc
ipvsadm -a -t 202.81.26.31:80 -r 202.81.26.40:80 -i -w 1
ipvsadm -a -t 202.81.26.31:80 -r 202.81.26.35:80 -i -w 2

I also enable tcp forwarding "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" just to be sure it can forward packets.

I'm also sure I can telnet to port 80 both on 202.81.26.40 and 202.81.26.35 but still I can't telnet using 202.81.26.31

Is there a problem in my sample configuration? Do I need to configure something on the real server.

I tried to disable selinux and iptables and do again a telnet but it is still unaccessible to 202.81.26.31.

Here is the result of ipvsadm -L

[root@LVS ~]# ipvsadm -L
IP Virtual Server version 1.2.1 (size=4096)
Prot LocalAddress:Port Scheduler Flags
  -> RemoteAddress:Port           Forward Weight ActiveConn InActConn
TCP  cor-32.foo.com:http wlc
  -> cor-35.foo.com:http   Tunnel  2      0          0
  -> web.foo.com:http     Tunnel  1      0          0

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Nelson,

I've never played with the TUN method before but I know you need to
create the tunnel on the real server as described in the docs.

i.e.
# /sbin/modprobe ipip
# ifconfig tunl0 0.0.0.0 up
# ifconfig tunl0 192.168.1.176 netmask 255.255.255.255 broadcast
192.168.1.176 up

AND make sure you sysctrls for ARP

OR:
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
# insert it if it is compiled as module
modprobe ipip
ifconfig tunl0 0.0.0.0 up
ipchains -A input -j REDIRECT 23 -d 172.26.20.110 23 -p tcp

(IPs are just from cut and paste examples)

I assume that TUN still can't be used in modern versions of Windows?





2009/3/19 Nelson Serafica <ntserafica@gmail.com>
>
> I already setup my rules in ipvsadm. However, its not connecting to the r=
eal server. Here is the procedure in my VIP
>
> (not real ip address)
>
> ipvsadm -A -t 202.81.26.31:80 -s wlc
> ipvsadm -a -t 202.81.26.31:80 -r 202.81.26.40:80 -i -w 1
> ipvsadm -a -t 202.81.26.31:80 -r 202.81.26.35:80 -i -w 2
>
> I also enable tcp forwarding "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" jus=
t to be sure it can forward packets.
>
> I'm also sure I can telnet to port 80 both on 202.81.26.40 and 202.81.26.=
35 but still I can't telnet using 202.81.26.31
>
> Is there a problem in my sample configuration? Do I need to configure som=
ething on the real server.
>
> I tried to disable selinux and iptables and do again a telnet but it is s=
till unaccessible to 202.81.26.31.
>
> Here is the result of ipvsadm -L
>
> [root@LVS ~]# ipvsadm -L
> IP Virtual Server version 1.2.1 (size=3D4096)
> Prot LocalAddress:Port Scheduler Flags
> =A0-> RemoteAddress:Port =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Forward Weight ActiveConn In=
ActConn
> TCP =A0cor-32.foo.com:http wlc
> =A0-> cor-35.foo.com:http =A0 Tunnel =A02 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A00
> =A0-> web.foo.com:http =A0 =A0 Tunnel =A01 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A00
>
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On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:46:22 +0000 Graeme Fowler wrote:

> Apologies once again, all. This is the first time a user has ever
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I've seen the same thing on the DRBD ML as well, so you are not alone
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into automating CAPTCHA challenges, it doesn't really come as a big
surprise that they go for MLs now. Still a bother.

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Hi all,

I have installed two servers with LVS (NAT) and Piranha, and I have some
questions about heartbeat.

1) Configuration 1: primary=3Dxxx.xxx.xxx.xx1 primary_private=3Dyyy.yyy.yyy=
.yy1
backup=3Dxxx.xxx.xxx.xx2  backup_private=3Dyyy.yyy.yyy.yy2 , but I have
problems, when I disconnect only the private cable (LAN) of the Primary LVS,
the Backup LVS not get the virtual IP. The Backup LVS only get virtual IP if
the two interfaces of the Mster LVS fails.

2) Configurfation 2:  primary=3Dxxx.xxx.xxx.xx1  backup=3Dxxx.xxx.xxx.xx2 ,=
 in
this scenario Backup LVS only get get virtual IP if the primary=3D  IP of t=
he
Mster LVS fails.

This is a default behavior?

I need that backup LVS gets virtual IP when any network (cable or interface)
fails at the Primary LVS. It is possible?


** Sorry for my poor english, I'm brazilian. :)


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On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Sergio Cioban Filho wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have installed two servers with LVS (NAT) and Piranha, and I have some
> questions about heartbeat.

read the HOWTO about Piranha. Most people on this list are 
using ldirectord or keepalived.

Joe
>

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I'm playing with LVS to try and get a working test setup going, and
I'm running into some problems.  I've got three VMs -- two "real"
servers, one LVS router.  Everything appears to start up correctly,
'ipvsadm -L' looks like I think it should, but the routing from the
VIP to the real servers just plain isn't happening.  Network
connectivity between the router and real servers works fine, but I
can't even connect to the VIP on port 80.

Following Redhat's documentation, I've tried both the iptables
PREROUTING and the arptables methods, but neither has worked.

I'm sure I've made a silly mistake, but I can't for the life of me
figure it out.  And LVS's logging is so quiet that I'm not getting
much; all appears to be working according to the logs.

Thanks for your help!

##### lvs.cf #####

service = lvs
primary = 10.9.3.3
heartbeat = 1 
heartbeat_port = 1050
keepalive = 6 
deadtime = 18 
reservation_conflict_action = preempt
debug_level = NONE

network = direct

virtual server1 {
         address = 10.9.3.6 eth0:1
         vip_nmask = 255.255.0.0
         fwmark = 100
         active = 1
         load_monitor = rup
         timeout = 5
         reentry = 10
         port = http
         send = "GET / HTTP/1.0\r\n\r\n"
         expect = "HTTP"
         protocol = tcp

         server Real1 {
                 address = 10.9.3.1
                 active = 1
                 weight = 1
         }

         server Real2 {
                 address = 10.9.3.2
                 active = 1
                 weight = 1
         }
}

Chris St. Pierre
Unix Systems Administrator
Nebraska Wesleyan University

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On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Chris St. Pierre wrote:

> I'm playing with LVS to try and get a working test setup going, and
> I'm running into some problems.  I've got three VMs -- two "real"
> servers, one LVS router.
.
.
> Following Redhat's documentation,

Redhat never comes up on this mailing list. I didn't know 
they knew anything about LVS.

Have you read the HOWTO about the (limited number of) 
problems that we know about with VMs? Can you find a simpler 
setup (separate nodes) for your first attempt?

Joe

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On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Joseph Mack NA3T wrote:

>> Following Redhat's documentation,
>
> Redhat never comes up on this mailing list. I didn't know
> they knew anything about LVS.

Yup:

http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5.2/html/Virtual_Server_Administration/index.html

I won't lie and say it's particularly thorough documentation -- most
of it covers using the configuration web GUI -- but it's readable, and
I figured it'd be a good place to start as I'm running RHEL.

> Have you read the HOWTO about the (limited number of)
> problems that we know about with VMs?

I have now, and none of them seem to be my problem.  Many are little
bugs or resource allocation issues, but they all appeared to be
problems that exhibited themselves once things were at least
marginally working.  In my case, I can't even get the dang thing
working at all.

> Can you find a simpler setup (separate nodes) for your first
> attempt?

I'd love to, but I have this problem with my email address: it ends in
.edu. :) Getting a single test box took me about four years, so if
you're willing to put this thread on hold until 2013, then I should be
able to get a bigger test environment. :)

Chris St. Pierre
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Hi Chris

On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 20:33 -0500, Chris St. Pierre wrote:
> I won't lie and say it's particularly thorough documentation -- most
> of it covers using the configuration web GUI -- but it's readable, and
> I figured it'd be a good place to start as I'm running RHEL.

It's as good a place as any, but it doesn't really explain the basics
very well - it's a sort of "click here, do this, all will be well"
approach which doesn't give you the full grounding about the "why" (or
even the "how" in some cases!).

> I have now, and none of them seem to be my problem.  Many are little
> bugs or resource allocation issues, but they all appeared to be
> problems that exhibited themselves once things were at least
> marginally working.  In my case, I can't even get the dang thing
> working at all.

I would normally ask for all sort of debug info here, but as you already
stated this is a test platform I'm going to ask you to completely clear
the RH-driven configs and start from a clean slate. BTW, I feel it's
your VIP netmask causing the problem, but we'll come to that later...

What you'll need to do is as follows:

# /sbin/ip address add 10.9.3.6/32 dev eth0
# /sbin/ipvsadm -A -t 10.9.3.6:80 -s rr
# /sbin/ipvsadm -a -t 10.9.3.6:80 -r 10.9.3.1:80 -w 100 -m
# /sbin/ipvsadm -a -t 10.9.3.6:80 -r 10.9.3.2:80 -w 100 -m

That then gets you a very basic virtual server on 10.9.3.6:80/tcp which
has realservers on port 80/tcp on addresses 10.9.3.1 and 10.9.3.2, using
the "masquerade" method (LVS-NAT). The prerequisite for this is that the
realservers have a default gateway address pointing to the director, ie.
10.9.3.6.

Once you have this set up, you can try to access the VIP from a client
which is *not on the same LAN as the VIP or the realservers*. This is a
key point - the return traffic MUST go back via the director in LVS-NAT
or the SYN/AYN-ACK/ACK handshake will fail.

Please try this and let us know how you get on.

By the way, if your VIP netmask is too wide on the director then the
director will believe that a Very Large Network is local to it or
immediately adjacent. That can stop normal traffic flow dead, right
there.

Graeme


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The section on One Network LVS-NAT bothered me because disabling
redirects at the load balancer and removing the local LAN routes from
the RealServers would cause all network traffic between RealServers to
pass through the director. This is undesirable in environments where
inter-RS traffic is high, as with clustering and data replication.

I decided NOT to disable redirects OR remove the local LAN routes from
the RealServers. Instead, I just added explicit routes from each RS to
my client machine through the director and did the same on the client. I
figured I could live with some redirect traffic. It worked fine, and as
a side effect I noticed that no redirects were being sent by the
director machine anyway. Running sniffers simultaneously on the client,
the director, and the server, I observed no ICMP redirects being sent or
received. The traces also showed that requests and responses were in
fact passing through the director and being properly NATed.

You might want to consider adding a note to the One Network LVS-NAT
HOWTO indicating that if someone only has a few clients that need to
access RealServers on their own subnet through a director, using static
routes on each client and RS seems to be a better approach.

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On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Robinson, Eric wrote:

> The section on One Network LVS-NAT bothered me because disabling
> redirects at the load balancer and removing the local LAN routes from
> the RealServers would cause all network traffic between RealServers to
> pass through the director. This is undesirable in environments where
> inter-RS traffic is high, as with clustering and data replication.

OK

> I decided NOT to disable redirects OR remove the local LAN routes from
> the RealServers. Instead, I just added explicit routes from each RS to
> my client machine

> You might want to consider adding a note to the One Network LVS-NAT
> HOWTO indicating that if someone only has a few clients that need to
> access RealServers on their own subnet through a director, using static
> routes on each client and RS seems to be a better approach.

Thanks will add your note.

Joe

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sergio,

same is for me if i will make ifdown for private interface, regarding
physical disconnection - i'm not so sure and i cannot check it...

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> On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Sergio Cioban Filho wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have installed two servers with LVS (NAT) and Piranha, and I have some
> > questions about heartbeat.
>
> read the HOWTO about Piranha. Most people on this list are
> using ldirectord or keepalived.
>
> Joe
> >
>
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On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Graeme Fowler wrote:

> What you'll need to do is as follows:
>
> # /sbin/ip address add 10.9.3.6/32 dev eth0
> # /sbin/ipvsadm -A -t 10.9.3.6:80 -s rr
> # /sbin/ipvsadm -a -t 10.9.3.6:80 -r 10.9.3.1:80 -w 100 -m
> # /sbin/ipvsadm -a -t 10.9.3.6:80 -r 10.9.3.2:80 -w 100 -m
>
> That then gets you a very basic virtual server on 10.9.3.6:80/tcp which
> has realservers on port 80/tcp on addresses 10.9.3.1 and 10.9.3.2, using
> the "masquerade" method (LVS-NAT). The prerequisite for this is that the
> realservers have a default gateway address pointing to the director, ie.
> 10.9.3.6.
>
> Once you have this set up, you can try to access the VIP from a client
> which is *not on the same LAN as the VIP or the realservers*. This is a
> key point - the return traffic MUST go back via the director in LVS-NAT
> or the SYN/AYN-ACK/ACK handshake will fail.
>
> Please try this and let us know how you get on.

Okay, I did that, and the result is -- improved?  I think?

I can see the HTTP request in the logs of one of the real servers.  So
the request gets that far.  But the response apparently never reaches
the client; curl just sits waiting until it finally times out.  I
_was_ testing from a different subnet.  I can ping the client from the
real servers, so at least some of the networking magic appears to be
working fine.

Chris St. Pierre
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Chris St. Pierre wrote:

> I can ping the client from the real servers,

you shouldn't be able to do this (at least on a well setup 
machine). The only connection between the client and the 
realservers is through the LVS-NAT. A ping packet shouldn't 
be able to get to the realservers from the client.

Is the only route to the client from the realservers through 
the director?

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On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Joseph Mack NA3T wrote:

> you shouldn't be able to do this (at least on a well setup
> machine). The only connection between the client and the
> realservers is through the LVS-NAT. A ping packet shouldn't
> be able to get to the realservers from the client.
>
> Is the only route to the client from the realservers through
> the director?

No, all I configured wasa route from the real servers to the client
going through the director.

I'm not sure how to force that behavior, either, without creating a
VLAN with no default route to the outside world.  When pinging the
real servers from the client, our routers are quite happy to route the
packets directly to the real servers.  I don't control the network
here, so that's not an option -- and, incidentally, as I don't intend
to use LVS-NAT in production, I think it'd be kind of
counterproductive to jump through those kinds of hoops to get this
working.

That said, I'm not sure why packet routing from the client to the real
servers should matter; in the test I was doing, I was requesting the
VIP from the client; the director passed the request on to a real
server; and the real server routes its replies through the director.
At no time during that test should the client _try_ to communicate
directly with the real server, so I'm not sure why that matters.

Chris St. Pierre
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On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 08:50 -0500, Chris St. Pierre wrote:
> Okay, I did that, and the result is -- improved?  I think?

Righto, so you're seeing something good(ish). Although you then go on to
say in response to Joe's message that you're not intending to use NAT in
production, so it would be productive now to switch to the method you
are intending to use which I assume will be -DR.

In that case, please clear the director's config (ipvsadm -C) and switch
it to -DR mode instead:

On the director:
# /sbin/ip address add 10.9.3.6/32 dev eth0
# /sbin/ipvsadm -A -t 10.9.3.6:80 -s rr
# /sbin/ipvsadm -a -t 10.9.3.6:80 -r 10.9.3.1:80 -w 100 -g
# /sbin/ipvsadm -a -t 10.9.3.6:80 -r 10.9.3.2:80 -w 100 -g

On the realserver(s):
# /sbin/ip address add 10.9.3.6/32 dev lo

Add the following to /etc/sysctl.conf:
# LVS switches
net.ipv4.conf.lo.arp_ignore = 1
net.ipv4.conf.lo.arp_announce = 2
net.ipv4.conf.all.arp_ignore = 1
net.ipv4.conf.all.arp_announce = 2

Then do
# sysctl -p

Then see what you get from your clients. Note that you should remove the
route you put in for NAT usage from the realservers.

What that lot does is puts the VIP on the director's live interface and
sets up the ipvs table, then you put the VIP on the realservers'
loopback adapters and ensure that the realservers don't send ARP
responses for that address.

Hopefully you'll then see a fully-working LVS.

Graeme


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On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Graeme Fowler wrote:

> What that lot does is puts the VIP on the director's live interface and
> sets up the ipvs table, then you put the VIP on the realservers'
> loopback adapters and ensure that the realservers don't send ARP
> responses for that address.
>
> Hopefully you'll then see a fully-working LVS.

$beers_i_owe{'graeme'}++;

Awesome!  It works!

With a working config in hand, I looked into getting it working with
pulse.

I compared the output of 'ipvsadm -L' after entering the literal
commands you gave me, with the output having started pulse with my
afore-pasted config file; there's a fairly substantive difference, but
I'm not sure how _important_ it actually is.  Namely:

Graeme's working config:

Prot LocalAddress:Port Scheduler Flags
TCP  cluster-test6.NebrWesleyan.e rr
[...snip...]

My non-working config:

Prot LocalAddress:Port Scheduler Flags
FWM  100 wlc

That pretty well explains why it wasn't working: my config had
'fwmark=100' in the config, left over from the sample config I
cannibalized, although I wasn't using (and wasn't planning on using)
firewall marks.  I removed that line, and suddenly a) 'ipvsadm -L'
outputs matched; and b) the balancer worked with the pulse service.

Woot!  Thanks for everyone's help on this!

Chris St. Pierre
Unix Systems Administrator
Nebraska Wesleyan University


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On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Graeme Fowler <graeme@graemef.net> wrote:

> On the realserver(s):
> # /sbin/ip address add 10.9.3.6/32 dev lo
>
> Add the following to /etc/sysctl.conf:
> # LVS switches
> net.ipv4.conf.lo.arp_ignore = 1
> net.ipv4.conf.lo.arp_announce = 2
> net.ipv4.conf.all.arp_ignore = 1
> net.ipv4.conf.all.arp_announce = 2
>
> Then do
> # sysctl -p


I always asuumed that you need to set the sysctl values first and only then
bring up the loopback adapter, else it would do an arp broadcast.. Are there
situations where you don't need to?

Sebastian.
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On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 09:37 +0100, Sebastian Vieira wrote:
> I always asuumed that you need to set the sysctl values first and only then
> bring up the loopback adapter, else it would do an arp broadcast.. Are there
> situations where you don't need to?

Well, test environments I guess - but good point, if you don't want any
ARP traffic emanating at all, it's good practive to apply the sysctls
first. I only did it that way because I'd written the VS setup bit of
the email before I cribbed a handy startup script :)

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www.austintek.com is moving racks and IP to keep the 
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It may take a while for the DNS caches to flush. In 
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Charles Duffy wrote:
> Joseph Mack NA3T wrote:
>> Things to look for would be
>>
>> o you have an after market enhanced version of LVS. Use a 
>> standard kernel not a centos kernel
> 
> This was it; moving to a freshly compiled 2.6.28.7 resolved the issue.

Actually, this was incorrect: Moving to a freshly compiled 2.6.28.7 
resolved the issue *only when combined with the source routing 
configuration previously described*.

Without source routing used to shepherd demasqueraded packets to eth1 
(with a different, appropriate gateway), they still were leaving eth0 
and being discarded by the local router.


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I've been using lvs+ldirectord for a while now. I've observed on many
occasions that weights sometimes seem to change spontaneously. For
example, I have three Windows terminal servers as follows:

TCP  192.168.5.100:3389 wlc
  -> 192.168.10.35:3389           Masq    20    19          0
  -> 192.168.15.84:3389           Masq    40    51          0
  -> 192.168.15.83:3389           Masq    40    52          0

The server at 192.168.10.35 is new and still in testing. I want it to
handle less load than the othes, so I set its weight lower.

But then I come back a few hours later and I find it looking something
like this:

TCP  192.168.5.100:3389 wlc
  -> 192.168.10.35:3389           Masq     1    41          0
  -> 192.168.15.84:3389           Masq     1    40          1
  -> 192.168.15.83:3389           Masq     1    41          0


Can anyone suggest a reason why these weights would change by
themselves?

--
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On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 01:26 -0700, Robinson, Eric wrote:
> I've been using lvs+ldirectord for a while now. I've observed on many
> occasions that weights sometimes seem to change spontaneously.

Nothing in a computer is ever spontaneous, unless it's broken. Or
overclocked ;-)

Anyway: you'll need to be looking in, or turning up the level of, your
logs. I suspect something, somewhere, is interacting with ldirectord (it
may be ldirectord itself) and is fiddling with the weights in normal
operation.

Can you see if anything is logged, and if not consider turning up the
log level?

Graeme


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I've got ldirectord logs in /var/log, but they are all 0 bytes. My
ldirectord.cg contains these entries:

logfile="/var/log/ldirectord.log"
logfile="local0"

ldirectord is managed by heartbeat, so I'm not sure how to change its
debug level on the fly without messing with existing connections. 

Which brings up another point. I notice that my load balancer computers
BOTH have the following in rc.local:

/sbin/ipvsadm --start-daemon master
/sbin/ipvsadm --start-daemon backup

Both daemons are running on both computers. That's contrary to what the
man page seems to indicate, but then maybe it's correct for a heartbeat
cluster?

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On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 01:26 -0700, Robinson, Eric wrote:
> I've been using lvs+ldirectord for a while now. I've observed on many 
> occasions that weights sometimes seem to change spontaneously.

Nothing in a computer is ever spontaneous, unless it's broken. Or
overclocked ;-)

Anyway: you'll need to be looking in, or turning up the level of, your
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may be ldirectord itself) and is fiddling with the weights in normal
operation.

Can you see if anything is logged, and if not consider turning up the
log level?

Graeme


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On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Robinson, Eric <eric.robinson@psmnv.com>wrote:

> Which brings up another point. I notice that my load balancer computers
> BOTH have the following in rc.local:
>
> /sbin/ipvsadm --start-daemon master
> /sbin/ipvsadm --start-daemon backup
>
> Both daemons are running on both computers. That's contrary to what the
> man page seems to indicate, but then maybe it's correct for a heartbeat
> cluster?



Yeah that's okay to have them both running. Actually it's better this way,
than to have them handled as a heartbeat resource. Let's call your setup
box1 and box2 and on them run master1 + slave1 and master2 + slave2. Now
master1 sends its updates to slave2 and master2 to slave1. If box1 is
active, master2 will send (close to) nothing to slave1.

I always set a different sync id on both master-slave connections, like
this:

box1 $ ipvsadm --start-daemon master --sync-id 50
box1 $ ipvsadm --start-daemon backup --sync-id 51
box2 $ ipvsadm --start-daemon master --sync-id 51
box2 $ ipvsadm --start-daemon backup --sync-id 50

But i'm not sure if that's necessary. It works though :)

regards,

Sebastian
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> I always set a different sync id on both master-slave connections

Would be good to know if that is necessary. The man page does not say.
Maybe it's kind of like a socket, where it's OK to have the same sync ID
on both because the IP addresses are different. 
 
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Why isn't ldirectord logging anything? I've got a couple of servers that
keep going quiescent and then restoring and I'm trying to figure out
why.

[root@lb01 log]# ls -al ldirectord.log*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Mar 29 04:02 ldirectord.log
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Mar 22 04:02 ldirectord.log.1
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Mar 15 04:03 ldirectord.log.2
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Mar  8 04:02 ldirectord.log.3
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Mar  1 04:02 ldirectord.log.4


[root@lb01 log]# cat /etc/ha.d/ldirectord.cf |grep log
logfile="/var/log/ldirectord.log"
logfile="local0"

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On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 04:11 -0700, Robinson, Eric wrote:
> Why isn't ldirectord logging anything?
<snip>
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> logfile="local0"

...because the second line overrides the first, and is sending
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It'll be putting it wherever that log facility ends up - which could be
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Hi all, 
we are using ipvs since years on several production servers and it works just 
fine, but now we are facing a weird problem. 
I'm unable to find a solution browsing around, so I'm asking for some hints 
here.
Basically, the scenario is the following:
5 servers (RIP), balanced with ipvs on linux 2.6.23, DR is used.
All works just fine, but if for some reasons the real servers freezes and need 
reboot, ipvs keeps as "alive" all the connections so the balancing is not 
correctly done. 
say, after reboot a couple (out of five) of servers shows with ipvsadm -L more 
than 1000 connections (and all of those are fake, as the Rservers have been 
rebooted) and ipvs doesn't pass any new connection until the count lowers 
enough and only 3 servers are actually working.
To fix this, I've tried to remove from ipvs real servers, virtual IP, I've also 
zeroed the tables but no success: when I reconfigure it all the RIP shows that 
all the connections are still there. The situation improves only after the 
connection timeout expires (usually 8 hours). If I lower this timeout, only 
new connection expires in a shorter time, so this is not a good solution. We 
need to keep high timeouts for several reasons (say, databases).
Is there any way to clear this counter (syscalls, proc, whatever) so I can 
recover a correct behaviour of the balancer without booting the machine? I can 
figure out that it's a situation that ipvs can't handle automtically, but a way 
to clear tables should be useful.

If course I'm available for further details.

Many thanks in advance for any answer.




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-----Original Message-----
From: "Fabio Coatti" <cova@ferrara.linux.it>
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>say, after reboot a couple (out of five) of servers shows with ipvsadm -L more 
>than 1000 connections (and all of those are fake, as the Rservers have been 
>rebooted) and ipvs doesn't pass any new connection until the count lowers 
>enough and only 3 servers are actually working.


We've seen this problem too; the only way I've found to clear that counter is to pull a server from rotation and leave it pulled for 15-30 minutes.

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> ...because the second line overrides the first, and is sending
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Well, isn't that special. I thought it would send it both places.
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On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Fabio Coatti wrote:

> Basically, the scenario is the following: 5 servers (RIP), 
> balanced with ipvs on linux 2.6.23, DR is used. All works 
> just fine, but if for some reasons the real servers 
> freezes and need reboot, ipvs keeps as "alive" all the 
> connections so the balancing is not correctly done.

ipvs has no way of knowing that a machine has been rebooted, 
so this is the expected behaviour. Health checking is all 
external to ipvs. Since in LVS-DR the director doesn't see 
the returning packets, it has to guess when connections 
expire, and you've set a long timeout.

Either

o use the -SH scheduler to direct clients to the same 
database server and return the timeouts to the default 
period.

o use one of the ioctls that Horms wrote to handle crashed 
realservers when ipvs is using persistence. These clear out 
the connection table

Joe

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Ignore me I didn't see the first post saying no health checker was being
used.


2009/3/31 Malcolm Turnbull <malcolm@loadbalancer.org>

> I've never heard of this being a problem? 1000 doesn't sound like a lot of
> stale connections?
> Is their some more info on this?
>
> I have customers doing 50K conns/second with no problems.
>
>
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> 2009/3/31 <jason.faulkner@mailtrust.com>
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> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Fabio Coatti" <cova@ferrara.linux.it>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:08am
>> To: lvs-users@linuxvirtualserver.org
>> Subject: [lvs-users] LVS and stale connections
>>
>> >say, after reboot a couple (out of five) of servers shows with ipvsadm -L
>> more
>> >than 1000 connections (and all of those are fake, as the Rservers have
>> been
>> >rebooted) and ipvs doesn't pass any new connection until the count lowers
>> >enough and only 3 servers are actually working.
>>
>>
>> We've seen this problem too; the only way I've found to clear that counter
>> is to pull a server from rotation and leave it pulled for 15-30 minutes.
>>
>> --
>> Jason Faulkner
>> Linux Systems Engineer
>> Mailtrust, a division of Rackspace
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> --
> Regards,
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> Malcolm Turnbull.
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I've never heard of this being a problem? 1000 doesn't sound like a lot of
stale connections?
Is their some more info on this?

I have customers doing 50K conns/second with no problems.




2009/3/31 <jason.faulkner@mailtrust.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Fabio Coatti" <cova@ferrara.linux.it>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:08am
> To: lvs-users@linuxvirtualserver.org
> Subject: [lvs-users] LVS and stale connections
>
> >say, after reboot a couple (out of five) of servers shows with ipvsadm -L
> more
> >than 1000 connections (and all of those are fake, as the Rservers have
> been
> >rebooted) and ipvs doesn't pass any new connection until the count lowers
> >enough and only 3 servers are actually working.
>
>
> We've seen this problem too; the only way I've found to clear that counter
> is to pull a server from rotation and leave it pulled for 15-30 minutes.
>
> --
> Jason Faulkner
> Linux Systems Engineer
> Mailtrust, a division of Rackspace
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Malcolm Turnbull.

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