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Re: Ultra Monkey Released

To: Jeremy Hansen <jeremy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Ultra Monkey Released
Cc: Keith Barrett <kbarrett@xxxxxxxxxx>, Horms <horms@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, lvs-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: Buddy Lee Haystack <haystack@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 17:34:39 -0400
Thanks for the info Jeremy!

I'm new to Linux, and have only been using it for about a year. I love that I 
can now use Apache, mod_perl, DBI, & PostgreSQL for free! In the past, I used 
M$ Windoze NT, Coldfusion, Oracle & IIS. Now, I get better performance, 
reliability, and scale-ability for FREE!

I'm always looking for a better way to do things, as I'm sure other people on 
this list are.

You've given me something NEW to look into, and I would like to convey my 
sincere appreciation!

THANKS!!!


Jeremy Hansen wrote:
> 
> Basically at this point I've actually found Ultra Monkey a lot easier to
> get running as opposed to piranha.  Also Ultra Monkey seems to stay with a
> pure philosophy.  I may be wrong but I believe Piranha in order tow ork
> properly needs Red Hat's patches present in the kernel.  Ultra Monkey will
> work with any system that has at least ipvs patches applied.
> 
> Ultra Monkey says "here, you want this configuration, put these scripts in
> lpace on these machines and use this ldirector config and it works"
> 
> TO me this is easier.  I'm sure it's not for everyone and those who have
> piranha working I'm sure will stay with piranha, but I also don't
> understand Keith's email as if he's opposing alternative.  He can't
> honestly say he wasn't aware of Horms' ultra monkey...I don't know, maybe
> he wasn't but it certainly was mentioned on this list before.
> 
> It's all basically the same goal.  I think initially it's good to have
> alternatives and then the users will decide which works best from their
> experience.  Whatever comes out to be the most useful then should be
> worked on exclusively to make it the best.
> 
> My goal currently is to be able to present people with an alternative to
> paying high amount of money for things like F5's bigIP.  I was truly
> amazed to learn that not only is this thing just a bsd box, but it cost
> somewhere around the $15,000 mark.  I think where the real "value
> added" features on the bigIP is its ease of configuration, especially for
> failover and configuration sync'ing, which I think would be something that
> ipvs could really learn from.  Paying $1400 for a nice 1U box, man you
> could buy to LVS machines and like 5 real servers for the cost of 2
> bigIP's.
> 
> WHat I would like to see is 1 rpm for each real server, 1 rpm for each lvs
> machine, something that incorporates the monitoring and configuration
> sycn'ing utils, etc and a simple config.
> 
> lvs backup machine config:
> 
> #
> primary_lvs = 192.168.1.1
> #
> services=22,80,110,25
> 
> done.
> 
> On the real server the rpm's would basically setup the hidden arp or
> Horms' ipchains redirect or the fwmark stuff whatever is cool at the
> moment and real on a config that basically has the IP of the real machine.
> 
> I sure there's tons of details I'm leaving out, I realize this, but I
> still thing things could be simplified a bit more and for me, Ultra monkey
> is still the closest thing to it.
> 
> I also don't like how things on Piranha seem to have to be configured from
> the front end like the web.  Then I need php, apache installed on the lvs
> machine itself and there's no reason for that.  Convert that stuff into
> understandable command line things and I think it would open a lot more to
> some people.
> 
> Just my opinion.
> 
> Thanks
> -jeremy
> 
> > I guess your email address is quite appropriate. ;-)
> >
> > I'm sure many of us could benefit from your insights. Please share them 
> > with us!


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