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Re: [lvs-users] lvs. Nat

To: "LinuxVirtualServer.org users mailing list." <lvs-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [lvs-users] lvs. Nat
From: net.study.sea@xxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 08:00:23 +0800
No , it is not Broadcomm nic 

在 2014-5-1,21:02,daryl herzmann <akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx> 写道:

> Hello,
> 
> Are you using a broadcomm NIC?  Perhaps you are hitting the issue with GRO 
> enabled causing brutal performance.  If so, you could try disabling GRO and 
> see if things are speedy.
> 
> ethtool -K eth0 gro off
> ethtool -K eth1 gro off
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=854066
> 
> daryl
> 
> On Thu, 1 May 2014, net.study.sea@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Thanks for reply!
>> 
>> I have configured the reply going through director ,but the reply is very 
>> slowly.
>> 
>> 在 2014-4-30,22:36,Anders Henke <anders.henke@xxxxxxxx> 写道:
>> 
>>> On 30.04.2014, net.study.sea@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>> 在 2014-4-30,19:56,Anders Henke <anders.henke@xxxxxxxx> 写道:
>>>> 
>>>>> There are multiple issues with this.
>>>>> -IP-address changes
>>>>> -possible port changes
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The client initiates a connection from Client-IP A to Director-VIP B:
>>>>> 
>>>>> A->B, using a random source port number to destination port 80.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The director rewrites the IP packet as if it had been sent
>>>>> from Client A to Realserver C and sends it to the realserver:
>>>>> A->C, using the client's source port number to destination port 80.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If the realserver would reply to those director-NATed packet,
>>>>> the reply would look like this:
>>>>> 
>>>>> C->A, from port 80 to client's source port
>>>> 
>>>> At this time,if C could reply directly to A
>>>> ,not through director ,then what is the result?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> After I configure well Lvs in NAT mode,
>>>> I find it deal with client's request so slowly, can not find the reason.
>>> 
>>> If you're balancing only a single tcp port, the director will reply
>>> to any other tcp ports and protocols.
>>> 
>>> So "ping" (icmp) will be answered from the director with the
>>> correct IP address, and the attempt to access a port without
>>> a listener on the director will result in "connection refused".
>>> 
>>> When you're accessing the balanced tcp port, the realserver will reply
>>> from an unexpected IP address and the client will drop the packet as
>>> being invalid.
>>> 
>>> After some timeout, the client will retry sending the packet,
>>> which will also fail. So it's not "slow" for your client to access the 
>>> balanced service, it's "impossible" to establish a working connection.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you do want to bypass the director, ask yourself why you'd like to do so:
>>> - you're expecting more outgoing bandwith than the director will
>>> be able to handle: you need to use either direct routing or tunneling.
>>> 
>>> - you're not comfortable with the idea of making your director also
>>> your host's default gateway.
>>> 
>>> By choosing tunneling or direct routing, you'll gain that possibility,
>>> but maybe you don't want to care about the ARP problem (a minor
>>> configuration on every realserver - if you've forgotten one,
>>> that realserver may attract all traffic to be balanced) or
>>> about monitoring service X at IP address Y (the balanced IP
>>> is not directly accessible for monitoring, so all checks need
>>> to be performed at a different IP).
>>> 
>>> If it's just a mindset issue - you may see it that way: if your director
>>> is not available, your service is not available and it doesn't matter
>>> that you can't access your hosts. In order to re-establish service,
>>> you need to make your director available anyway, and after you've done so,
>>> you may need to take care about your hosts.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anders
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> The client in turn knows it did create a connection from A to B,
>>>>> but doesn't know about a connection from A to C and so can't
>>>>> match those reply packets with "the other" connection. Well,
>>>>> their destination port is known to be in use with a different connection,
>>>>> so why should A assume this to be valid?
>>>>> 
>>>>> The reply packets are being dropped as being invalid.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Depending on your configuration, your director may also change
>>>>> the destination port, e.g. from 80 to 8080:
>>>>> A->C, using the client's source port number to destination port 8080
>>>>> 
>>>>> ... and so the realserver's reply would look like this:
>>>>> 
>>>>> C->A, from port 8080 to client's source port
>>>>> 
>>>>> The client in turn knows it did create a connection from A to B.
>>>>> Any replies from C won't match that connection and so are being dropped.
>>>>> Neither IP address nor port number do even closely match a known 
>>>>> connection,
>>>>> there's no way for the client to match them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In both cases, any firewall protecting A will perform similar
>>>>> checks and drop the reply packets, as they are not related to a known
>>>>> outgoing connection.
>>>>> 
>>>>> By routing and "un-NAT'ing" the reply packet via the director, the
>>>>> director will rewrite the packet from 'C->A' to 'B->A' and rewrite
>>>>> any port changes as well to meet the expectations of A (or any
>>>>> firewall in between director and A).
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> In Direct Routing mode, the IP packet isn't changed at all, just
>>>>> the ethernet destination MAC address ("outside" of the IP packet)
>>>>> is changed. In Tunneling mode, the incoming IP packet is encapsulated and
>>>>> isn't changed as well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's why in Direct Routing and Tunneling mode, any replies will be sent
>>>>> bypassing your director and your director will only see "incoming" 
>>>>> packets.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And that's also the reason why in NAT mode, both incoming and outgoing
>>>>> bandwith are limited by the director, while in DR/TUN mode, the director
>>>>> only limits the incoming bandwith. Beside this, the extra complexity of
>>>>> performing NAT for incoming and outgoing packets does also affect the
>>>>> overall performance of the director.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anders
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 30.04.2014, net.study.sea@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>>>> The real server received packet's source ip is client ip , why not it 
>>>>>> reply directly to client if there is router available route?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 在 2014-4-29,22:43,Anders Henke <anders.henke@xxxxxxxx> 写道:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 29.04.2014, net.study.sea@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>>>>>> In nat mode,does director do dnat and snat packets for all request 
>>>>>>>> packets?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In NAT mode, the director does perform destination nat on request 
>>>>>>> packets,
>>>>>>> so your realserver does still see the correct "source" ip address.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> However, replies then need to be sent via the director as well, so the
>>>>>>> director can reverse the changed destination IP address and the client
>>>>>>> does see the reply packet from the "expected" IP address/port.
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