Re: [PATCH RFC 00/24] IPVS: Add first IPv6 support to IPVS

To: Graeme Fowler <graeme@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/24] IPVS: Add first IPv6 support to IPVS
Cc: Julius Volz <juliusv@xxxxxxxxxx>, Sven Wegener <sven.wegener@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Simon Horman <horms@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, netdev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, lvs-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, kaber@xxxxxxxxx, vbusam@xxxxxxxxxx
From: Joseph Mack NA3T <jmack@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:13:09 -0700 (PDT)
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008, Graeme Fowler wrote:

I don't think we should promise anything.

Well, it was just a suggestion. It'd be nice, I reckon, to be able to say to people on lvs-users who ask us that "yes, this is currently being worked on" at the very least.

If you say that then people will expect that it will eventually be released and will work, and be documented and we'll be able to help people get it working when it arrives.

A lot of stuff has been "worked on", but not tested or released. Horms has piles of stuff. Jason Stubbs has working code for lvs hooked into PREROUTING, a great step forward in my estimate, but has disappeared off the mailing list. If you tell people all this code is out there somewhere, being worked on, are you then prepared to tell them that you don't have the code, or that no-one's tested it, and there's no documentation and you haven't a clue how to set it up, and then try to help them install it and get it going? I'm quite prepared to believe that you can get Horms version of lvs hooked into FORWARD working and help people with it, but I can't. There's been more code written for LVS that's never seen the light of day, than has ever been released. I wouldn't want the LVS mailing list to become famous as a list of promises that are not kept.

Even code that's been tested by the author and released doesn't get used. The -SH scheduler sat untouched for years, because no-one knew how to use it. Someone spelunking the code, figured out how to configure it.

I still have no clue what LBLC does and it's been out for years.

It might stop people bleating, as they currently do (albeit rarely).

No-one, who is running LVS as part of his business, and who monitors the mailing list daily for at least a year, never helping anyone, waiting for a mention of the -SH scheduler, so that he remind everyone that the clueless LVS developers have not fixed his -SH problem (and that he has no intention of fixing it himself, or getting anyone under his command to fix it either) and if we don't do something pronto, he'll go to a commercial loadbalancer, is entitled to bleat.

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