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Re: [lvs-users] LVS and OpenVZ

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Subject: Re: [lvs-users] LVS and OpenVZ
From: Joseph Mack NA3T <jmack@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:46:40 -0700 (PDT)
On Sun, 1 Jul 2007, Rio wrote:

>>> http://linux-vserver.org/Welcome_to_Linux-VServer.org
>>>
>>> we have been running it for a year now with absolutely 
>>> no hiccups whatsoever and no excessive loading! we have 
>>> 84 virtual servers on 1 machine and 40 on

I didn't get my point across it seems. Let's see if I can do 
a better job.

You have one box which is running 84 instances of a virtual 
server and another box which has 40 instances. So you have 
two boxes which can appear to be 124 realservers?

>> Trying to find out why people use virtual servers for
>> realservers

>> The next question then is why don't you have the big server
>> which is currently split into 84 realservers as just one big
>> realserver? If you need failover (do virtual servers fail?)
>> why not just 5 machines (enough that you'll only loose 20%
>> on failure)?

I understand that its cheaper, less cooling etc to have a 
single large box than 84 separate boxes.

> if i am understanding you to mean you want me to split it 
> into 84 complete virtual machines that advertise their own 
> virtual hardware? too much overhead and wasted resources.

so you have 84 virtual machines but they don't appear to be 
84 individual machines?

> we do have several instances where virtualized hardware is 
> required. we have one host running esx server for just 
> that need. but by far the most common needs are easily met 
> using linux-vserver.
>
> if i understand you to mean combine the 84 servers into 
> one server running all the services, that cannot be. some 
> of those are rented colo space and i will not allow a 
> customer access to our hosts.

OK so not all of your virtual instances are being used for 
LVS realservers.

> i have become a firm believer 
> in context virtuals.

what are "context virtuals" (nothing useful found in 
google).

> far less overhead than virtual hardware (who needs 84 
> kernels running all doing basically the same thing?).

I thought you had 84 virtual machines. Clearly I don't know 
what you have.

What is the hardware running these 84 machines (number CPUs, 
number NICs etc)? How many virtual instances are 
realservers? Why don't you just have a small number of 
realservers, each one getting a larger share of the 
resources rather than a large number of realservers, each of 
which gets a small fraction of the resources?

Thanks Joe

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