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Re: [LVS - NAT] alternatives, getting deeply OT

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Subject: Re: [LVS - NAT] alternatives, getting deeply OT
From: Roberto Nibali <ratz@xxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:32:53 +0200
Hello Don,

> I don't know. I was just being facetious.

Cool, I learned a new adjective today :)

> Yes. That was the reason that the 140 machine cluster I mentioned before was
> running behind BigIP, they had to run a lot of custom developed scripts for
> various things, and with BSD they could do that. It's also the reason why I
> prefer LVS when I can use it.

Excellent.
 
> > I'm wondering what topology really demands for DR only?
> 
> Well, as the one guy mentioned, they will have incoming on DSL A and outbound
> on DSL B, so there's at least one anyway. But even so, I would think you
> could still do it with NAT if the routers were configured for routing not
> bridging, by setting the default gw on the director to the router on DSL B. I
> think both routers would need to be on the same subnet, but the DSL provider
> would probably set it up that way anyway. Even if not you could set a large
> enough netmask on the director to cover them both.

It's a routing issue, but ok, NAT could complicate things here, if I
really understood what you meant.
 
> > [People tend to generally overestimate resources when it comes to HA issues
> > and that's why companies such as AC and PWC still get project assignments
> in
> > this field]
> 
> Maybe they are used to MS...

M$ is for cheap solutions too. Never really saw an interesting Internet
application running on M$, but this is OT:
 
> > ps.: Could you ask Steinberg to port their software to Linux, please 8)
> 
> Ahh, Cubase. I usually use Cakewalk Pro. Truthfully, I really think we will
> see these applications ported to Linux. Here in Los Angeles I saw a very cool

I asked them several times but never got a reply. I would be willing to
help porting. I made some tests with low latency kernel patches and real
time environments and got better latency timings for Linux and QNX then
any other OS under high load. I sent them the results but this company
seems to be ways too big to see the neccessity for the little Linux community.

> television commercial, I think it was on CNN financial news (I've only seen
> it once, so I may have the dialog a little wrong):

cnn.com seems to be down right now. It seems that this "attack" must have
had a huge impact on the technology part too.
 
> Then the announcer says something like, "IBM running Linux, the ultimate in
> reliabilty".

:) Unless you mess up the network I/O component or how the call it.
 
> It's funny, MS is running ads showing whole rooms full of servers and saying
> how their software is stable in that environment, and IBM comes along and
> says all you need is one big box (which naturally won't run Windows). Soon,
> CFOs will be telling CIOs to use Linux to save money. In fact, you will see
> that I posted a link to linuxtoday.com about a story running in this month's
> CFO magazine (yes, I subscribe to CFO magazine):
> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-09-06-003-20-PS-BZ

How true.

> IBM says they are going to spend 1 billion dollars on Linux in the next 3
> years. They say that a proper operating system should have 10,000
> applications available for it, and Linux only has 2,300, but they are big
> ones.
>
> The customer that I mentioned before (the one that will have Radware
> directors) specifically told me that they wanted IBM hardware running Linux.
> With IBM behind Linux, I think a lot of people will be surprised at how fast
> Linux takes off in the next couple of years.

We will see. I'm happy to be on the right track then, although I still
go for farmer in Australia.
 
> I'm also betting that once IBM has successfully gotten Linux into the server
> market, that they'll then begin moving into the desktop market. They'll push
> Notes against Exchange, and will finally solve the desktop crap that has been
> holding Linux back from deployment on corporate desktops. They really only
> need a good replacement for MS Office (Open Office will do, if IBM doesn't
> hate Sun too much) and they can push desktop systems into the corporate
> space.

Mhh, I would be careful with this, but we'd better discuss this in private.
 
> I've been using Linux since 1994, and it's really great to have clients now
> telling me that they want Linux on their servers. I do a lot of consulting
> for hotels, and they are pushing for the providers of their software (like
> http://www.resortdata.com ) to port to Linux. I suppose I could call
> Steinberg and tell them I'm building a server room for a recording studio and
> they want IBM hardware and Linux, and when will they have Cubase to run on
> it? Heh.

Sounds like a good idea. Tell them that there is a big shout from the
sound metropol Europe, especially England, Germany and Switzerland.
 
Regards,
Roberto Nibali, ratz

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