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RE: HTTP(s) persistence

To: "'lvs-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <lvs-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, alex@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: HTTP(s) persistence
From: Tim Cronin <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:20:02 -0600
Not that is helps but.

We use IIS /w sessions and vls_nat and use wlc /w persistance.

the presistance time must match the iis.session.timeout.

and haven't had any problems, but we only have a 20min session.



-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Mack [mailto:mack.joseph@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 11:11 AM
To: lvs-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; alex@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: HTTP(s) persistence


Alex Kramarov wrote:

> I continuously hear on this list suggestions to rewrite applications to
use
> other session management means then the one that comes with IIS. As a
> Windows/Unix developer/administrator (you can mix and match any one of the
2
> groups ;), i would really like to say, that usually this is not that easy
in
> the IIS environment,

I think the problems would be enormous in rewriting an application even in 
linux where you have all the source code, if you weren't the person who
wrote the application in the first place. The only reason I keep
posting about it, is that some people say they've done it.

I would expect that it would be another order of magnitude more difficult
for MS developers. Perhaps it would be impossible in all but exceptional
cases.

However we must make progress in small steps and let people know what the
state of the art is now, so that they can plan for the future. I don't
expect people with currently running setups, that they want to switch
to LVS, to be able to do much with it now. The managers running the
show will just want to keep the money rolling in.

> that functions as a drop in replacement for the
> IIS session components.

want to give me a one paragraph lesson on IIS session components?
Is this an API that the application running on the webserver calls?
Why doesn't the application write it's own session management data
to disk without consulting IIS?

> I am not saying this to start a MS war on the list, but only to tell, that
> when an ms inclined person hears that he should "re-write the application"
-
> 95% chance that this will be his last try to use lvs for his solutions.

I gave the original poster the information on persistence, the way we've
been
telling people to do it for the last 3 years and then told him what the best
solution that we know of right now. 

> on the other hand, saying that there is a such and such solution that can
help
> him will probably be considered...

is "such and such" persistence?

I'm happy to add a note to the HOWTO to let people know that persistence is
still
as workable as it ever was.

Joe
-- 
Joseph Mack PhD, Senior Systems Engineer, SAIC contractor 
to the National Environmental Supercomputer Center, 
mailto:mack.joseph@xxxxxxx ph# 919-541-0007, RTP, NC, USA

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